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**Hakulyte** · 10-12-2016, 02:34 PM

You're off, Zenith haven't done anything that makes me associate him with XelNya up to this point. I just hastily responded to his jab. :/

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 02:38 PM

Alright then, that's all I needed, thank you.

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Haku, give me your thoughts on Dabackpack's posts before replacing and how they read with Pyscho's posting?

**Precarious** · 10-12-2016, 03:15 PM

I started trying to catch up on what happened while I was away and holy shit. This argument is ridiculous. Anyway, reads on the subs.

Psycho: Not a whole lot to go on. Obligatory null for the moment, but I want to see some more content here.

MML: Pretty aggressive style. When backed into a corner (by replacing someone under some suspicion), this is a way to fight out of it I guess. Not sure what to think here really. I don't like the tone, because it really does feel like it's trying to buzzsaw suspicion, but there was some actual analysis going on.

Then the whole thing degenerated into the argument with Charu and Shado. I don't mind that he challenged them--even if they're pseudo-cleared, it's useful to see what turns up and it's worth making them answer for their posts--but this is just beyond the pale. The big bolded "time to counterclaim" post was good, but absent a CC on either it's not productive to go off on this tangent after that. Because if no one is counterclaiming, then we have to (for now) treat them as cleared.

And this is massively distracting from actual scumhunting. Because we're clearly not voting Charu or Shado without a claim, and this obfuscates looking for people where conversational analysis actually has value.

Combined with the fact that this is replacing someone that was already under fire, well, I'm not a huge fan of this. The only defense for this is that it's weird that a replacement wolf would draw attention by going so off the rails.

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Setting aside the subs, I have some concerns about other people.

I don't know what to think about Haku anymore. There have been so many things from Haku this game that just feel off, and as soon as I get ready to make a post about them, I'll read a little further and they'll be remedied--partially--by another post. I understand there's going to be peaks and valleys with someone with as high a post count as Haku, but my read on him has been trending down gradually the whole game, and that's not a good sign.

Speaking of trending down,

DFR's playstyle is a less interactive, less solving version of what I've seen in previous games, and yet no one challenges them. They've been perfectly content to float along undisturbed, seemingly more interested in staying out of the fire than mixing it up. On iso, their content looks a little better than I expected, but at the same time it's perfunctory. There's just the edges of content here, enough to seem like they're participating (and in line with their meta to some degree--which would be good if it weren't easily exploitable), but not enough to actually push anything to happen, either with them or with others.

Mellon has been underinvolved all game. I don't know what they normally play like, but what I've seen here isn't good. And although I'm taking my vote off juckter for now (in light of his situation), I'm still not thrilled there. I don't want to pile on low content/low activity people exclusively, because there's no way that's the whole wolfpack and sk, but there are anti-town people in that group for sure.

For now, danceflashrevo, although this could just as easily be a mellon vote.

**Precarious** · 10-12-2016, 03:23 PM

What I do like:

Zenith feels pretty damn town to me. There's a good mix of analysis, sparring, and gut reaction here.

Roundbox feels slightly off from the super town ending to D0, but I still generally like what he's done in D0. He's harped on the voting, but that makes sense given was a disaster EoD was. I'm still seeing thought here.

What I feel mixed on:

Just when I was starting to trend town on Xel, they change stylistically again. I'm really starting to think that either Xel or Haku is a wolf. The on again off again interactions between them, and even independent of each other, are just too inconsistent.

**Hakulyte** · 10-12-2016, 03:24 PM

I have a lot of trouble not reading DBP as wolf before the replacement.

My thoughts of him haven't changed except for the fact that his AFKness may be justified by his replacement which is considerable for meta.

His EoD voting pattern was still really strange and nothing ended up coming out from these "hot reads" that he was supposed to do by the end of last phase. He had some time in Day 2 to go about them, but he ended up talking about Fata Morgana instead. (??)

Psychoangel691 has bring up a few interesting points that have been discussed last night:

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Been an hour and I've gotten through one person's posts, rip. So I guess I'll just post people as I finish rather than wait till I have a whole reads list.

Just finished up reading botchi/MML

Botchi despite the limited activity gave me more of a town lean. Felt town on Gradiant and freezin, didn't want to throw a ton into inactives on D0, felt someone is off between indheart and shadow, which is how I've been feeling thus far (still have a lot to read though)
MML I don't think I've ever played with before so at first the huge spike in activity felt like an attempt to try and scream "hey I'm town" without really being much of substance but after getting through it all I've still got a town lean. I do like that he's interrogated Charu on his claim since most people were just giving a free pass (again, not totally caught up so there could be others who pushed on the claim I didn't see yet). The only thing I didn't like is the huge zero in on DBP (take that as you will being that I'm the replacement) I just don't like when people get to heavily focused on one person rather than prodding more when there's still a fair amount of time left.

But anyway, for now Botchi/MML has town lean from me. On to the next person.

I agree with her that botchi246 really seems to be town. Charu already heavily covered botchi246 by now.

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juckter - I know this person has cited being ill and now internet issues limiting their activity, but idk kind of rubs me the wrong way. A lot of the posts were just filler things which came off as an attempt to look active to me rather than actually contribute. Even the reads post just felt half assed to me, kind of like how he just jumped on other's theories of Charu's claim being legit rather than investigating it or forming his own opinion. I wouldn't jump off and just say he's wolf as of now, but I definitely have my suspicions and wouldn't necessarily mind being rid of him.

Need a short break, be back soon.

I really feel like Juckter1 should have been replaced out by now. I was really upset to see botchi get replaced, but not him. I have no objections to getting him lynched, but he does have reasons such as "being sick + internet limitations". His posts are average especially next to his previous game where he literally surprised me by how accurate he was in his reads. This could be a sign of being wolfy, but it could as well be a sign of not feeling well due to being sick. I think there's a chance he could contribute to this game. If he doesn't come back by EoD and do something, he's going to end up in the scum pile for me.

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Mellon - So far I feel town read here. Been pretty actively participating, answering other's questions/concerns towards her. I liked that even though she agreed with people's points about Charu she noted that it doesn't make it concrete.

I generally agree with this, but I still feel like she's just blending in and holding her cards. The more she keeps interacting, the better it will be.

tl;dr: I'm still in pure Null territory for psychoangel691. These reads are good, but it's not really placing anything new on the table. The day is not over, she still has time to read. I'm hoping to see more content.

**Precarious** · 10-12-2016, 03:24 PM

EBWOP: That second D0 should be today, obviously.

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I really feel like Juckter1 should have been replaced out by now. I was really upset to see botchi get replaced, but not him. I have no objections to getting him lynched, but he does have reasons such as "being sick + internet limitations". His posts are average especially next to his previous game where he literally surprised me by how accurate he was in his reads. This could be a sign of being wolfy, but it could as well be a sign of not feeling well due to being sick. I think there's a chance he could contribute to this game. If he doesn't come back by EoD and do something, he's going to end up in the scum pile for me.

Explain the bolded sized up comment please.

**psychoangel691** · 10-12-2016, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I have a lot of trouble not reading DBP as wolf before the replacement.

My thoughts of him haven't changed except for the fact that his AFKness may be justified by his replacement which is considerable for meta.

His EoD voting pattern was still really strange and nothing ended up coming out from these "hot reads" that he was supposed to do by the end of last phase. He had some time in Day 2 to go about them, but he ended up talking about Fata Morgana instead. (??)

Psychoangel691 has bring up a few interesting points that have been discussed last night:

I agree with her that botchi246 really seems to be town. Charu already heavily covered botchi246 by now.

I really feel like Juckter1 should have been replaced out by now. I was really upset to see botchi get replaced, but not him. I have no objections to getting him lynched, but he does have reasons such as "being sick + internet limitations". His posts are average especially next to his previous game where he literally surprised me by how accurate he was in his reads. This could be a sign of being wolfy, but it could as well be a sign of not feeling well due to being sick. I think there's a chance he could contribute to this game. If he doesn't come back by EoD and do something, he's going to end up in the scum pile for me.

I generally agree with this, but I still feel like she's just blending in and holding her cards. The more she keeps interacting, the better it will be.

tl;dr: I'm still in pure Null territory for psychoangel691. These reads are good, but it's not really placing anything new on the table. The day is not over, she still has time to read. I'm hoping to see more content.

If they're all points that were brought up I haven't seen them yet. I'm just going up the list through the who's posted thing and doing individuals right now. Trying to just read through the thread wasn't working well for me to catch up with the slowness of the site. So basically any of the higher poscount people I haven't really seen much yet outside most recent posts because I'm trying to keep up with new posts while I catch up.

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 03:41 PM

Let it be known I've seen juckter down below in the viewer list.

Using viewer list again, I know, but juckter, I would appreciate if you said a blurb if you're able or not able to post.

**juckter1** · 10-12-2016, 03:45 PM

I can post, I got my internet problem sorted out. Catching up

**Hakulyte** · 10-12-2016, 03:51 PM

Feel free to read this if you have a lot of free time, not just for Juckter1, but for reading me as well: TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread

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juckter1 - Inactive, even by my standards. Has pressed others for information without offering any himself, but at least the pressing for people to get their seer reads in is town-positive. I'm still thrown by the thing with Shadow from yesterday, and on rereading his older posts it feels like there's a lot of perfunctory formula stuff without his heart being in it. Not a strong wolf read (and there has to be two of them anyway), but my strongest at this point.

^ That's a Precarious post. #380
Matching inactivity with this game and low interaction.

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Annnnnnnd juckter left for the 4th fucking time today

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