TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

What do you want me to respond to?

I messaged you yesterday

aragakiayase [4:20 PM] 
what was with pairing botchi/tokzic as wolves

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like I just don't see a scenario where that happens

aragakiayase [4:40 PM] 
when you get the chance can you post a full reads list in thread, as well as logs of all PMs you have righ tnow

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

What do you want me to respond to?

dlgn has also been asking you a lot of questions in the past few pages

[rzr]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I messaged you yesterday

aragakiayase [4:20 PM] 
what was with pairing botchi/tokzic as wolves

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like I just don't see a scenario where that happens

aragakiayase [4:40 PM] 
when you get the chance can you post a full reads list in thread, as well as logs of all PMs you have righ tnow

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

dlgn has also been asking you a lot of questions in the past few pages

I am like I said certain people ruined this game for on d1.
I am clearly not in chat right now and haven't been, when I go on I will answer any questions, until then if you want to ask anything else I will asnwer it here, I am very busy training at work.
Also, I've said this 100 times -- I'm not going to humor dlgn. He is my top wolf suspect and has been. He was extremely rude when I was asking him questions, he ignored mine, and he repeatedly called me an idiot for asking about his partners and his slip ups. So like I said, if he/you have any questions then ask away, but dlgn is the last person I'm going to go read the last 10 pages and respond to. You, AA, I have respect for. That said;
I paired tokzic and botchi together for the following reasons:
As scum, tokzic could much more easily have botchi claim with him, effectively silencing the actual remaining hobo. I've said this before, if I was a hobo after everything that happened I would definitely not claim. It is easier to go UTR. I also stated that it would be absolutely amazing of a play for Tokzic to secretly try to get us all into the sec booth so we'd be routed to the main hall, then freeze the main hall instead. So far, I was right on that front. So that's how that scenario would work. I said from the start we shouldn't lynch from within the hobo pool.

I will post reads and logs in a few

[Tokzic]

no fun allowed

[AragakiAyase]

rzr seems utterly uninterested right now

[dLGN]

if I ruined the game for you d1 you need to stop playing twg, friend

[rzr]

Originally Posted by dLGN

if I ruined the game for you d1 you need to stop playing twg, friend

I specifically said certain people ruined it off the rip. Don't take it so personal.

[dLGN]

i have 0 experience with rzr's play and emotional range. i think he has been a wolf in a recent game and someone had experience with him, how did he respond to lynch pressure when he was killed that game?

all I know is he is terribly wrong this game and reacting poorly

[dLGN]

from mpov you gave airball reads, got ultra defensive, tried to buddy up to me to make me unvote, and then have been calling me a wolf here and there all game since, with a side of worlds that make 0 sense tossed in there as well.

ugh.

[dLGN]

rzr [6:18 PM]
or at least give us a better reason lol

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So talk to me

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I like you

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I don't wanna pin the wagon on you

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Talk to me

rzr [7:13 PM]
No biggie, I just wish I culd hear some of what's bringing you to this conclusion. i could care less about being thought of as a wolf, I care more about you misguiding your vote


rzr [1:45 AM]
well

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you are here

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and so am I

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so what would you comment on? no point in wasting time right!


a couple lines I found interesting. the dichotomy in how he has reacted publicly to pressure versus how he has interacted with me 1on1 is jarring, tbh. he wanted to start working with me as soon as my vote went elsewhere. he went through towny motions and so I felt comfortable with him as town for d1 and tried to give him a chance to get his feet and flesh out some thoughts based on actual content and not preconcieved notions about players in the game.

since then i haven't seen any of that.

[dLGN]

do a quick iso on round

dlgn [1:52 AM]
oh ya the cinnamon guy haha

rzr [1:52 AM]
:stuck_out_tongue:

dlgn [1:52 AM]
idk why I liked that answer

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maybe because I like cinnamon lol

rzr [1:53 AM]
I have a tattoo of the fireball whickey guy on my armn :stuck_out_tongue:

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but in my head I was like "cinnamon is red" lol

dlgn [1:53 AM]
hahaha

rzr [1:53 AM]
plus, that's what I was saying about roundbox not contributing much in his posts

dlgn [1:53 AM]
idk it sounds like he was at work

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said he felt good about me and would post an explanation when he got back

rzr [1:54 AM]
He said he was coming home, then he said he was doing laundary

dlgn [1:54 AM]
and he did, and it was pretty detailed and thought out


the bolded lines are 10/10 if he is a wolf. like it is total airball but holy fuck. i will probably change my vote again idk. fucking hell.
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and he's right, fwiw

[dLGN]

fucked up formatting in quick reply but yeah

[dLGN]

here's my problem, at the moment:

if I don't lynch rzr for what I think could easily just be scum this game, I'm lynching between a couple people I feel an equal amount of NOTHINGNESS about. literally flipping a coin after that between xel and storn.

couple that with the fact that, based on nothing but speculation, I find it hard to believe that tokzic would sac himself like that if his two partners are 2 people who should be in EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S POE lynches atm.. i'm not feeling so confident about this game. which is disgusting because it should literally be towns game to lose atm, but I feel that is exactly what the weak town in this game are making it too easy to let happen.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by dLGN

here's my problem, at the moment:

if I don't lynch rzr for what I think could easily just be scum this game, I'm lynching between a couple people I feel an equal amount of NOTHINGNESS about. literally flipping a coin after that between xel and storn.

couple that with the fact that, based on nothing but speculation, I find it hard to believe that tokzic would sac himself like that if his two partners are 2 people who should be in EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S POE lynches atm.. i'm not feeling so confident about this game. which is disgusting because it should literally be towns game to lose atm, but I feel that is exactly what the weak town in this game are making it too easy to let happen.

how do you explain the tokzic death then?

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

how do you explain the tokzic death then?

someone may me miscleared or townread, or generally not suspected atm.

hi backpack

[AragakiAyase]

my problem with an rzr lynch is that he's felt pure to me all game. He's had a lot of weird reads but I've seen him do that as town so just that alone isn't enough to convince me. He's also asked a lot of really weird questions but I think wolf rzr would be less likely to do that because it puts the spotlight on him. His upcoming reads list/logs will definitely affect my decision

on a side note, xel do something if you're town

[dLGN]

ok well here is the state of the game:

8 alive. 6 town, 2 wolves. if the wolves want to kill someone at night, they WILL be able to be caught at night, so it is a risk to them if they allow the security booth to be used and they choose not to freeze it.

to be clear - if the booth is used and NOT frozen, but some other place is, the check given, as well as the person giving it, are both 99% confirmed town, as the only mafia left who could roam would have to be in the AC room to freeze something.

the ONLY exception to this is if the movie stalker is the one to "use" the booth, in which case they could be giving a fake check or a real check. therefore, the person who gets a check should be REQUIRED to out it before the person they checked reports where they were at night. this way the mafia have a high chance of incorrectly giving a check on a town, and very likely are forced into checking their partner, basically pairing them for the rest of the game.

next post will be about what happens tonight

[dLGN]

worst case: mislynch today, leaving 7 alive, 2 wolves and 5 town.

the following are available to hide in

1) The Dinosaur Den
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3) The Rockin' Rocks
4) The Big Bang Burrow
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7) Main Hall (never seals, kills half)
8) The IMAX Movie Theater (Gives list of # in attendance on first show. Movie stalker can kill one of attendees. Seals after first use)
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10) The Security Booth (Seering booth, if 2+ people use it, they eject into Main Hall)
11) The Bathrooms (3 uses maximum before sealing)

the movie theatre should not be used unless we lynch the movie stalker today. if we do, EVERYBODY should go there, including botchi.

this forces one of two things things that I will detail to botchi but would rather not include here for now.

one or two bathroom stalls are available. they should ONLY be used by botchi at this point. I'M SPEAKING TO EVERY OTHER TOWN IN THIS GAME ATM - DO NOT USE THE BATHROOMS. we only have one clear in this game and he is hit, he gets either one or two nights free in the bathrooms, we will find out in the morning if they overflow. there's really no reason to figure out how many stalls are free before then.

the security booth which I detailed in my previous post.

finally the main hall and 3 exhibits.

again, worst case, we mislynch and are left with 5 town and 2 wolves.

botchi goes in the bathrooms.

one gets sent to the security booth.

botchi sends pms to EVERY person in this game and tells them where to go. YOU GO THERE IF YOU ARE TOWN.

2 of us cannot move if a room is to freeze tonight, but people will be spread under the assumption that they are able to go where told, 1 to each of the exhibits and 2 to the main hall. the MAXIMUM number of deaths of EVERY. SINGLE. ROOM. tonight is 1. the minimum is 0 if they freeze an exhibit with nobody in it, which is unlikely.

the main hall is guaranteed 1 kill (the survivor is not confirmed, however)

the security booth is basically a forced kill for the mafia team and is very likely a town death or forces the person who goes there into claiming, which gets interesting but almost always good for town.

doing this ensures we have a clear tomorrow going into what would be final 6. suboptimal because of the even number but that's kind of out of our hands this game with the way night kills work.

NOT doing this and we always risk outright losing the game if we all independently decide and end up with a crowded room and the wolves hit it.

I AM TOWN. I AM DOING THIS FOR TOWN. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.

[dLGN]

also I have thoughts about who should go to the security booth that I will share with botchi. I'd like to hear everybody else's opinion on that but not before you give reads on players ffs.

[dLGN]

may be*