pregnancy help...

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

if she actually considers it killing, which I don't know why anyone would.

Yeah, who would be crazy enough to think that taking a human life is killing?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Anticrombie0909]

Abortion is never the best option. Adoption is always 100% preferable.

hehe I knew this was coming

btw Libertarians are pro choice fyi

[nforcer06164]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Yeah, who would be crazy enough to think that taking a human life is killing?

He's talking about whether or not the fetus is alive, Guido.

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Oh crap. We DID start that argument. ****.

[Pikachu655]

Alright a question that should have been asked and i hope to to HELL it was, "WHAT THE **** WHERE YOU THINKIN?!!!" Tell her to ask Dr. Phil for some help Damnit!

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by nforcer06164

He's talking about whether or not the fetus is alive, Guido.

I know. So am I.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

The state of "living" isn't really arguable. It's been more or less scientifically proven that a fetus is alive. It may be about as animated as a tree, but it's still alive.

The real question is whether it's a "human" life, and this question is more philosophical than scientific.

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

I had an abortion when I was 18. I was working in Tennesee as a waitress in a truck stop and I fell in love with a guy - bright blue eyes, maybe powder blue, curly blonde hair.

I ended up getting pregnant with his best friend. It was the first time I had sex. I had an abortion, too, because if I had kept the baby, it would have ruined my life.

Oh hey! I get it now....3 hour time difference.

[acknerr]

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

I had an abortion when I was 18. I was working in Tennesee as a waitress in a truck stop and I fell in love with a guy - bright blue eyes, maybe powder blue, curly blonde hair.

I ended up getting pregnant with his best friend. It was the first time I had sex. I had an abortion, too, because if I had kept the baby, it would have ruined my life.

Hey Mal, it's funny, I just saw an episode of Scrubs and the character playing Jordan described what was essentially the exact same situation you described. Anyway, sorry to hear about that incedent.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by acknerr

Hey Mal, it's funny, I just saw an episode of Scrubs and the character playing Jordan described what was essentially the exact same situation you described. Anyway, sorry to hear about that incedent.

what a crazy and unlikely coincidence

[beatmouse]

Every person here should watch the movie Kids. Sure made me scared of ****ing.
For a good two weeks

[DarkProdigy]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The opening scene shows Telly and an unknown girl kissing, then, after Telly tells her how much he wants to "****" her, they have sex. Telly leaves and meets his friend Casper (played by the late Justin Pierce), who is drinking a forty-ounce bottle of beer and reading a comic book, on the steps.

As they walk along the sidewalk, Telly tells Casper about his sexual experience, as Casper exclaims obvious admiration. They go inside a store, and Casper steals another forty-ounce beer bottle as Telly distracts the cashier. They then steal a few peaches using the same set-up just outside the store.

They start walking to a friend's house, even though they express dislike towards him on the way there, showing they just want drugs and food. They arrive at the person's house, inhale nitrous oxide out of balloons, talk about sex, and smoke marijuana.

Sounds like a good movie.

[beatmouse]

Better than any movie about teens I've seen. Especially when you can relate to it

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by nforcer06164

So, you think the saving of one life is cause for ruining others? Wouldn't you give up your life to save 100 people, or even 10 people? Think about the two options carefully.

Before I give a response, let me say this: I wrote a huge observational rant about the chaos theory before I even knew what the chaos theory was. I have never bothered to learn more than that my crazy rant and the chaos theory are basically the exact same thing (I did this with an ancient Greek philosophy that everything is illusion but self, as well. HELL IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE ORIGINAL THOUGHT ANYMORE.). So if something doesn't match up with chaos theory, don't cut me apart for it.

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Uh.

Isn't one of the things about chaos theory that positive and negative effects are almost completely blended with one another?

For example, there is a raffle at a banquet where you win a car if your number is called. You planned to go and buy a raffle ticket, but end up not being able to. Little do you know that if you had gone, you would have won the car, and as a result, the guy who would have been next in line wins it. However, if you had won the car, you would have crashed it on the way home and killed yourself instantly. However, because you died, your sister writes a memoir and becomes an extremely famous author and gets extremely rich and these riches attract a sleezebag who has a child who is the next Hitler.

Just because you have a negative experience doesn't mean it's not better for the world in the long run.

Originally Posted by like four people

No, it could have had life.

hahahahahaha

so you are against killing sperm

and amputation

and cutting grass

and removing algae from pools

and cremation of corpses that still house perfectly living bacteria which could evolve into sentinent life at any moment

Seriously, what a stupid statement. EVEN DIRT CAN MAKE LIFE. ARE YOU PART OF THE SAVE THE DIRT MOVEMENT?

I already foresee responses reading, "BUT WE'RE ON A REALISTIC SCALE." Yeah, and I don't sweat it when I step on an ant or cut down a Christmas tree. Do you? They could be human lives one day or another, y'know. Then why are you losing sleep over killing (oh wait, that implies it's living) something that "COULD HAVE BEEN A HUMAN LIFE".

Crazy anti-abortionists.

Anyway, this thread was doomed to become an abortion thread sooner or later, and I don't see us solving the pregnancy problem anymore.

[beatmouse]

Save the dirt!

[Grandiagod]

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

The state of "living" isn't really arguable. It's been more or less scientifically proven that a fetus is alive. It may be about as animated as a tree, but it's still alive.

The real question is whether it's a "human" life, and this question is more philosophical than scientific.

Agreed, I believe it's a human when it has the cognative abilities of a human. Not before.

However, some people believe having human DNA is enough to make it a tradedy to abort.

Oh, by the way, fetuses are creepy lookin'. If I knew I had one of those growing inside of me, I would cut myself open with dinnerware to get that alien looking mother****er out.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

Seriously, what a stupid statement.

Agreed.

Crazy anti-abortionists.

Wait, what? How about you don't consider the stupid arguments and challenge what I have to say.

Only someone being intellectually dishonest would say that a fetus "could" have life. There is no potential; there only IS life there.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Badguin]

Originally Posted by nforcer06164

So, you think the saving of one life is cause for ruining others? Wouldn't you give up your life to save 100 people, or even 10 people? Think about the two options carefully.

Save one life, potentially ruin two or more.

Prevent the start of one life, preserve the opportunity of better lives for one or more. Worst case scenario: one ruined life.

Now, I'm not going to try to start the "is it alive or not" argument. Just remember that there is a chance that the fetus is not technically "alive" yet. So, you may not be killing anything. You can't kill something that isn't alive, and then it won't ever know the difference anyway.

I would give up my life. Not the life of my child.
Anyway, the whole 'is it alive' is stupid. Of course it's alive. But is it yet sentient, is it yet human? That is the big question between pro and anti-abortionists.

Like I said, it's her choice, I'm not one to tell people not to get abortions.
Especially since I'm not a woman.

And, the worst case scenario for aborting a child is: Many ruined lives.

Why? (I"m not going to be stupid and go LOL THE WOMAN CAN GET SAD!?)
Post-abortion complications. The woman can and may very well die, just like the risk of giving birth.

And this will ruin not just the would-have-been-child, but the woman's life, and her immediate friends and family.

[JurseyRider734]

I'm sure a lot of you would think differently if you had or will experience childbirth and raising a child. It's easy for a guy, they can just walk away before the baby is even born.

[Wilkin]

Going back to the age difference issue for a second, I believe the point that was trying to be made was that the maturity difference between an 18-year old and a 14-year old vs. a 38-year old and a 34-year old would look something like:



Thus, it's saying closer the maturity, the more accepted by society the relationship is, which would make those large gaps in relationships of people under 20 seem that much more drastic.

[MalReynolds]

It's crazy - Jordan's experience with abortion mirrors my own. Just like Michael Scott's experience with prison was shockingly similar to the time I spent in prison, eating gruel and my own hair.