Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness this.

[Zyphoror]

Originally Posted by Charu

But gum wasn't invented until the early 1900's!

LOL

[FFRN00B90210]

jumpstream jesus

[Spenner]

Originally Posted by Charu

But gum wasn't invented until the early 1900's!

Different kind of gum

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

God created the world.

evolution in the way you're probably referring to says the way our world is today is as a result of random events over those billions of years, without any outside influence.

specifically the biological world

And it's that genetic mutations occur at random; however, the reason certain mutations propagate is not random: certain mutations cause an organism to be more adapted to its environment and more likely to reproduce. It's a very very very slow process as the chances of having a beneficial mutation are slim. So it's quite reasonable for complex life to have evolved over hundreds of millions of years.

What I'm saying is that there is no God or other force behind the process of evolution. It occurs slowly over time on its own due to measurable factors.

[adlp]

Riddle Me This A Thiests: If The Universe Is Infinite Then Everything Ever Will Exist Or Already Exist (so the entire events of starwars actualy happened exactly) Then God Does Exist Because He Would Be in the Realm Of Existance

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

God created the world.
science says the world as we know it came about over billions of years. cool.

evolution in the way you're probably referring to says the way our world is today is as a result of random events over those billions of years, without any outside influence.

it's the outside influence I have a problem with. For me, the method God created the world doesn't matter. He created science, so science can serve to explain. What's wrong with big bang theory? difference for me is I believe God was the one behind the big bang.

The problem lies in that you assume god created everything. There's no logical evidence to come to this conclusion and -should- be kept out of the equation until it's proven sufficiently (which it isn't). No otherworldly explanation was necessary for anything that has been thoroughly investigated so far and the lack of explanation in other fields does not justify a jump of logic with assuming that there must be some higher force at work.

Also read what ilikexd said about evolution because it's correct. It's a process of random chance mutations and testing this mutation for survivability (which is not random). Survival of the fittest, the one that adapts the best will thrive.

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

i think that whether you act or practice homosexuality is.

It's just as much a choice as it is your choice to act upon your sexual urges. There's nothing wrong with that now is there?

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by adlp

Riddle Me This A Thiests: If The Universe Is Infinite Then Everything Ever Will Exist Or Already Exist (so the entire events of starwars actualy happened exactly) Then God Does Exist Because He Would Be in the Realm Of Existance

just because the universe is infinite (your words, not mine) does not mean these events happened.

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

There's nothing wrong with that now is there?

problem lies when it is stated as wrong in the bible

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by adlp

Riddle Me This A Thiests: If The Universe Is Infinite Then Everything Ever Will Exist Or Already Exist (so the entire events of starwars actualy happened exactly) Then God Does Exist Because He Would Be in the Realm Of Existance

dear athetits….
if GOD dont exist s
how me a dog learned english?

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

problem lies when it is stated as wrong in the bible

[FFRN00B90210]

Originally Posted by KgZ

Being attracted to people of the same sex is a genetic mutation

Mutants don't deserve to live.

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

So what you're saying is that homosexuality is innate and not a choice, but choosing between either outwardly expressing your feelings or keeping them repressed is?

my feeling is that it is a choice, and many people will say it isn't. I dont think that's the important part. it's the actions you do that matters more i think

[axith]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Be as religious as you want -- keep it to yourself. There's no good reason why homosexuals can't get married.

I think one of the core of the issues with 'gay marriages' comes from the interpretation of the word marriage. There's been a disconnect between the idea of marriage from a legal standpoint and a marriage in a 'Christian' aspect. The bible says that marriage is between a man and woman. The legal interpretation only has to do with the secular paperwork, taxes, and other worldly things. There's a number of Christian groups that have no problem with performing a 'blessing of relationship' were they ask God to bless the couple and there's a similar theme of togetherness, fidelity, ect. Rarely do they call it marriage though. The current more secular world came from a more religious world. The term marriage remained in place though the meaning has shifted. It's a matter of language changing (which is something that language is keen on doing).

Homosexuality isn't just a human thing. Other organisms practice homosexuality from fruitflys to canines. I find it difficult to separate humans from other organisms that share this planet (and developed though the process of evolution).

Changing topic: As far as I've been informed, people have some interesting ideas on how our universe ended up here. From a god of some sort declaring it into existence to it violently erupting from from a incredibly dense mass with bits of matter coalescing over a period of time. Using our Theories of Physics we can outline the earliest events of the universe, and potentially infer the going-ons of the time before the bang. It's the matter of where it all started from that bothers me. Something must of just been rather than caused. I'll call this thing that's just been, God. Mostly because I have no other word for it. God exists/existed to put the pieces together and nudge stuff into motion. Whether or not it's a god that's kind or influences outcomes, I honestly can't say anything about.

The Bible (hell, any major religious work) were written by men (literally, with very few exceptions) saying/believing it's the 'word of god'. The Bible was put together by the religious writings of Judaism and Christian texts floating about at the time.

I'm now questioning why I wrote all this rather than trying to score well enough to win a cookie in the tourney...

[Reincarnate]

...and you work in the medical profession, popsicle?

[FFRN00B90210]

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

my feeling is that it is a choice, but that isn't as important to me, and many people will say it isn't. it's the actions you do that matters more i think

Hey dude, can you respond to this image Spitfire keeps posting?

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

...and you work in the medical profession, popsicle?

He's in school. Don't strawman please.

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

...and you work in the medical profession, popsicle?

i will in two years studying still

[Izzy]

I'm contributing.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by axith

I think one of the core of the issues with 'gay marriages' comes from the interpretation of the word marriage. There's been a disconnect between the idea of marriage from a legal standpoint and a marriage in a 'Christian' aspect. The bible says that marriage is between a man and woman. The legal interpretation only has to do with the secular paperwork, taxes, and other worldly things. There's a number of Christian groups that have no problem with performing a 'blessing of relationship' were they ask God to bless the couple and there's a similar theme of togetherness, fidelity, ect. Rarely do they call it marriage though. The current more secular world came from a more religious world. The term marriage remained in place though the meaning has shifted. It's a matter of language changing (which is something that language is keen on doing).

Doesn't matter because marriage isn't something that religion/Christianity/etc "owns." They didn't "invent" it. Marriage didn't even originate as a religious concept -- it was about property and alliances during oldschool agricultural revolutions. It was a contract.

Christians pretty much came along and hijacked a bunch of shit (e.g. pagan rituals) to make it more palatable for people to convert.

My point is that marriage isn't something that we need religious "permission" for in any way, shape, or form. It doesn't matter if they think it ought to be between a man and a woman. Marriage as an institution has already been morphed and mutated into so many variants over the years -- they just like to pick on this one because "ewww, gay people."

[Nullifidian]

Same for marriage between multiple people for that matter. What's the reason to stop 3 or more people from marrying if they love each other? "Ew thats gross n stuff"

[popsicle_3000]

I'd argue an important reason for trouble with gay marriage in the religious community is in the actual ceremony.
a priest/pastor marrying two homosexuals in a way is showing agreement and acceptance of their way of life. It also why some churches wouldn't allow a homosexual pastor or priest. Allow the church to decide whether they will marry homosexuals or not. The state can perform marriages, and i'd find that much more acceptable.