Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[Knoobish]

Yeah called that -- like fuc

[dood gone krazee]

Should I fix up some stuff with Fantasie and send it in for the next batch? Or is it basically a "no we don't like it" file?

[Knoobish]

ps there's no way freedom dive would have been the hardest file in FFR lmao

[operationstrawbarry]

Im running out of ideas on fixing drop V2 guys. Its like playing Ping Pong(Not sure if this is the right metaphor or analogy to explain this situation, but it came to mind). Im correcting everything being told and all of the sudden there are new problems because of my corrections.

kommi:
Dr.1010 - Drop (?) 4.5/10
-m5 they're 24ths not 16ths, same with m9 etc.
-jump patterns could be improved for better pr
-melody pr needs work also
-jump jacks were a little much imo and ruin the flow

Pat:
Drop (OperationStrawbarry) [<]
drop/10
I don't care for the beginning. it feels like it misses or hits fast bursts at its own discression (16ths/24ths missing here 'n there), also half the time it steps a 24th burst as 16ths
what's with the long jumpchains from m7 and m11 and later? they're not a layering of the two melodies
shouldn't m33-41 have layering?
m67-m74: it's the same thing over and over, do you want to step it as stepjumps or straight jumps?
m59-m66: not putting jumps to bass drum/plucking instrument properly
m75: minijack off the third beat?
hehe I get an excuse to use <

Could this be personal problems like what you perfer or are these legitamate problems?

Pat: a lot of what is stepped is being intended. There is nothing in this file that was a mistake or something I doubted. Ive learned that after 6 resubmits, the next being my seventh. Unless, you guys got my desktop version which is clearly wrong because Im still having that problem. The beginning is stepping everything to the obveious sounds man. There shouldn't be a mystry there. Remember, those 24/16 of whatever are to drum sticks from previous judges that asked me to put those in.

jump jack? WTF. i didn't put any jacks in this file... There should not be any jacks whatsoever or the same arrow being pressed repeatidly.

Ill do my best to correct some of these issues, but personally, I really dont find anything wrong with this drop file. Its very straight forward and should follow everything. Dont know how you guys are getting these complaints. PS: guess thats why Im not a judge. And if anything, its definatly better than the one in game. (sorry pat. I played it a couple of times for inspiration or ideas and the one in game is absolutly not that fun.)

PS: Im sorry if this post disturbed the judges in any way. Its just after 6-7 months correcting what the judges asked me to correct only for that file to come back with completly different issues because of what I corrected, well, that makes me want to kick a kitten really really hard (Its an expression people. Saying this before anyone starts QQing about me kicking a kitten.)

PS3: One more thing. Thx for being percise on where the problems are like what measure they are. That will really help with the revision process. I wont miss reading about corrections and guessing what the judges mean or where they had a problem with. Thx for that.

[Patashu]

Btw, if I'm sending a quick fix can I zip up just the .sms in the folders they'd go to and send you that?

[samurai7694]

Patashu's note helped me a lot with GENTLEMAN. I changed my mind. I'll resubmit that file instead of Groovin' Plains. I also love how patashu and kommi liked GENTLEMAN but not jx, and jx +'d Groovin' Plains but patashu and kommi didn't like it that much (due to missing steps/jumps on snares/sync etc). Well, I changed the offset of GENTLEMAN (yet now the notes seems a wee bit early to me) and I used less jumps.

here is what I don't understand:

Patashu- (GENTLEMAN) m111: missed a 16th triplet at the start of this measure

kommi - m85 you missed a few 16ths on the hi-hats

really? I don't quite hear anything in m111 and I doubt I missed a few 16ths in m85. I actually thought it was overstepped lol. Other than that, I'm glad patashu gave detailed notes about the file and still liked the file enough for it to earn a +. I did everything patashu told me to fix, so hopefully patashu will + it next time, and maybe Tass will accept it.

Patashu - m10 on (Groovin' Plains): I disagree with putting jumps to the snare accompanied by nothing else (elsewhere it's fine since it's accompanied by other instruments more prominently), I'd do it melody + bass/snare myself. also the ending shouldn't randomly get harder

I personally feel that if I don't have the jumps to the snare the feel of the steps in those measures would be dull. Also, the ending isn't really THAT hard for it's difficulty, although I know what you mean. If I do resubmit it, the least I can do is remove only the 8th jumps. I also changed the offset. Along with GENTLEMAN, the arrows feel a little bit early. Maybe it's just me.

[gnr61]

your 'drum solo' isn't a song

[Patashu]

samurai: what are you listening to the song on? headphones or speakers?

I'll look again in a sec

edit: also, the beginning drifts from offsync to onsync by like m20 or so, don't just change the gap (I mean do that anyway since the gap is off but) make sure that's correct throughout

edit 2: found a 16th triplet you missed. m91, off the second blue note. after the long hi-hat trill you sometimes step the triplet following it and sometimes don't, so just make that consistent

edit 3: and you definitely missed the 16th triplet commencing m111. it should be sandwiched in between the two jumps

[who_cares973]

foil I can try to help you with pr and stavie really? calm down




and yay la campanella got queued. i'll be fixing some stuff on it though or maybe not

[customstuff]

LMFAO

[samurai7694]

I use speakers along with a subwoofer lol. Maybe I didn't quite catch it since every other thing you said about the file was right.

[foilman8805]

Originally Posted by stavie33

If it were because the file was bad, I'd be fine, if the file had too many errors or was not fit for FFR, that makes sense,

But "good file, no to song" when we have this horrible death metal **** on FFR and Tass just chooses, for the first time in Judging history, to get rid of a file +'D BY EVERY JUDGE and say "File's fine but no to song"

That's why, my file got a better score by JX than 80% of the batch, and had the same score as 3 of the files that got in, and was rejected just because Tass hates me, that's why I'm complaining

It wasn't rejected due to bad song or file, just Tass' prejudice against me

QQ more, buddy.

I can't say that you're making yourself look bad because you've already proven yourself to be an enormous idiot.

The whole I'm 'redhead/daman/stavie' is ****ing old and tiresome. As far as I know, Tass has no reason to hate redheadinferno (or whatever the **** that name is). Isn't he the one who stepped the song? Why are you saying Tass hates you? The only person who can say that would be daman, which leads me to believe that daman stepped it instead.

Regardless, your life isn't going to come crashing down around you because your stepfile didn't make it into the queue. Worse things have happened - like cats getting abused.

If it's a good file, then submit it to the FFR database, submit it to the next StepMania DrumPack, submit wherever you want, but seriously, just shut up about Tass rejecting it because he's prejudiced. That's such a petty and ridiculous reason for Tass to reject a file and it doesn't make logical sense anyways because he accepted stargroup's files forever and I know for sure he doesn't like stargroup.

If anything, it is YOUR fault for the rejection for one of two reasons:

1. At some point, you acknowledged that daman is on that account. (Assuming Tass is prejudiced)
2. You picked a drum solo to step with no melody. Poor song choice for FFR. Period.

Originally Posted by who_cares973

foil I can try to help you with pr

That would be very much appreciated. I'll get the file to you soon.

[robertsona]

Originally Posted by foilman8805

submit it to the next StepMania DrumPack

whoa ballin idea

[buizel8888]

Tass rejected my file for song choice before, and I didn't kill myself

[who_cares973]

lol I forgot I submitted two files


I don't really remember super spy hunter but it's under the 30 second limit so I won't even bother fixing it

ps im submitting ripoff and farewell, my little basquiat :U

[championanwar]

Well done Carlos ^_^

[robertsona]

I was bored so I made this:

HOW TO PR: AWESOME GUIDE
What PR is:
PR stands for Pitch Relevancy. It is probably the next step you should take in stepping after you learn getting melodies and rhythms down. Pitch relevancy is basically the act of stepping with relevance to the pitch of the song.
Basics:
The basics of PR say that the lower notes in a song should be stepped "lower" in the steps (e.x. left and down), and the higher should be stepped as higher steps (e.x. up and right).
Jacks:
"Jacks" (the same note repeated) should go to, obviously, the same note in the song being repeated (e.x. if the main instrument is playing, say, the "A" note over and over in 16th notes, you should step it as one of the notes repeating sixth notes (e.x. right-right-right-right-right or left-left-left-left-left)).
Scales:
There are twelve notes in any octave and four notes on the step editor. If there was a scale being played from low to high, you would most probably start at a left note and go up from there (e.x. left, down, up, right). If the scale keeps going after four notes, you start from the beginning again with a left note, and go up again.
PR in General Cases:
Let's use a random case for a song you may be stepping: if the song starts on an A note, and goes down to a C, you could do many things:
1. Step the A as a right and then the C as either an up, a down, or a left.
2. Step the A as an up and then the C as either a down or a left.
3. Step the A as a down and then the C as a left.
As you see, you cannot step the C as anything higher than the A, because it does not correspond in a music sense.
However, let's say the song, after the A and the C, then plays a G, in between the A and the C, in the musical sense. The third possibility we examined could not happen, because there is nothing in between a down note and a left note, in the stepping sense. So the only two possibilities now are:
1. Step the A as a right and then the C as either a down or a left. If you stepped the C as a down, you should step the G as an up (up is between down and right in the stepping sense). If you stepped the C as a left, you could step the G as either an up or a down (both of those are between a right and a left in the stepping sense).
2. Step the A as an up, the C as a left, and the G as a down.
Jumps and Layering In PR:
With jumps, there are six possibilities rather than four, giving you more possibilities than with single arrows. This comes to your advantage when stepping chords. However, this changes if the jumps are used for layering. For example, if there is a bass drum and a note playing at the same time, and you step both, and you decide to step the bass drum as a left, you only have three possibilities for the note (down, up, and right), because the left is already "taken up" by the bass drum. This comes to your disadvantage when stepping, and often requires you to "sacrifice" your PR for correct layering. You should almost always choose consistent layering over consistent PR, because PR has less of an effect, especially when it is for a short amount that the PR is "sacrificed".
PR in Difficult Sections:
PR in fast sections (e.x. ones with fast notes whose point on the stepping scale can't be pinpointed at normal speed) should be handled identically to rhythms in fast sections: slow down the song. While PR is not something many players pay attention to in sections with fast notes like 32nds, it should still be used for flow and feeling right. However, if utilizing PR in these sections ends in awkward patterns and/or jacks, you can "tweak" the PR to make it flow better. To slow down the song in the editor, go to the editor main menu, go to Song Options, go to Rate, and slow down the song to any comfortable speed. 0.3x rate is the slowest possible, but may be too slow for some songs, and end in choppiness. After that, use the general rules of PR to place your notes. Before you do anything related to PR in these sections, make sure you have the rhythms right (slowing down the rate will also help you with this.

I might add more later.

[kommisar[os]]

now i don't want anyone making blatant pr mistakes anymore

[robertsona]

**** that looks a lot more unimpressive when posted unlike when typing it

general cases is really all you need to read if you know anything

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by foilman8805

QQ more, buddy.

I can't say that you're making yourself look bad because you've already proven yourself to be an enormous idiot.

The whole I'm 'redhead/daman/stavie' is ****ing old and tiresome. As far as I know, Tass has no reason to hate redheadinferno (or whatever the **** that name is). Isn't he the one who stepped the song? Why are you saying Tass hates you? The only person who can say that would be daman, which leads me to believe that daman stepped it instead.

Regardless, your life isn't going to come crashing down around you because your stepfile didn't make it into the queue. Worse things have happened - like cats getting abused.

If it's a good file, then submit it to the FFR database, submit it to the next StepMania DrumPack, submit wherever you want, but seriously, just shut up about Tass rejecting it because he's prejudiced. That's such a petty and ridiculous reason for Tass to reject a file and it doesn't make logical sense anyways because he accepted stargroup's files forever and I know for sure he doesn't like stargroup.

If anything, it is YOUR fault for the rejection for one of two reasons:

1. At some point, you acknowledged that daman is on that account. (Assuming Tass is prejudiced)
2. You picked a drum solo to step with no melody. Poor song choice for FFR. Period.



That would be very much appreciated. I'll get the file to you soon.

redheads the one talking right now buddy, just fyi, apparently I need to quote myself

- redhead/orangeinferno