TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[DN_Catastrophic]

so stupid adding tokens...i barley even play them since most of them aren't even good songs...

[Reach]

If someone wants all the tokens PM me. There's a secret and it's pretty unfair that it exists so since it does exist and I do know about it I figure anyone that wants to know about it can as well D:

And yay to be the only one that likes the addition. Personally, I think you're all a bunch of retarded whiners. The only ones that should be removed are antis, which there arn't that many of, and I havn't even checked to see if the anti's are on the list.

laziness != lack of skill

You might as well then, give everyone all of the AAA points they're capable of getting then! If you AAA a FMO then everything below FMO should automatically be added to your AAA list...since clearly lazy people like myself arn't going to bother with these songs, since I don't care about them.

Hell, we can go even further than this. Pick the hardest song on FFR and only use that on the list! Clearly, since it's the hardest, it should reflect overall skill the most and then you can infer from that what kind of scores they're going to get on everything else anyway. Who cares about easy songs?

This is just a stupid observation and the point of that was to show the circular logic. Although clearly true, if we're going to keep this system at all it doesn't apply, whether you add songs or not because if it did it doesn't work then or now. Either you accept the fact that this system does not measure absolute skill or you throw it out completely. Stop cherry picking it based on your agenda.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 on last page.

i like the addition also.

so there's two of us.

i just don't approve of anti tokens being in there if they ever do.

so, we're on the same page.

and you have really good argue perspective.

[Sweet_Feet]

this might have already been mentioned but since there are more songs on the list does this change the req of the tier's?

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Sweet_Feet

this might have already been mentioned but since there are more songs on the list does this change the req of the tier's?

most definitly.

right now, if it were the same, there would be like 10 people in T0 right now at the minimum.

[_pandaman_]

Originally Posted by Reach

If someone wants all the tokens PM me. There's a secret and it's pretty unfair that it exists so since it does exist and I do know about it I figure anyone that wants to know about it can as well D:

And yay to be the only one that likes the addition. Personally, I think you're all a bunch of retarded whiners. The only ones that should be removed are antis, which there arn't that many of, and I havn't even checked to see if the anti's are on the list.



You might as well then, give everyone all of the AAA points they're capable of getting then! If you AAA a FMO then everything below FMO should automatically be added to your AAA list...since clearly lazy people like myself arn't going to bother with these songs, since I don't care about them.

Hell, we can go even further than this. Pick the hardest song on FFR and only use that on the list! Clearly, since it's the hardest, it should reflect overall skill the most and then you can infer from that what kind of scores they're going to get on everything else anyway. Who cares about easy songs?

This is just a stupid observation and the point of that was to show the circular logic. Although clearly true, if we're going to keep this system at all it doesn't apply, whether you add songs or not because if it did it doesn't work then or now. Either you accept the fact that this system does not measure absolute skill or you throw it out completely. Stop cherry picking it based on your agenda.

QFE.

This is exactly my viewpoint on the situation.

[MrRubix]

Very good post Reach

[Sweet_Feet]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

most definitly.

right now, if it were the same, there would be like 10 people in T0 right now at the minimum.

that's what i was thinking but it hasen't been updated yet

[Fantasticone]

Tier Points: 441 (418 + 23 for 193 AAAs)

6/6 - Abtrusity - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Battle Ax - AAA
5/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - AAA
5/5 - Ride Out - AAA
5/5 - Divinity - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Soul - AAA
5/5 - Video Out A - AAA
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - Cutting Circles - AAA
5/5 - Tribal Transcendency - AAA
4/4 - Endless Dream - AAA
4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
4/4 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2 - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA
4/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
4/4 - Sensorium - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Hyper Pressure - AAA
4/4 - Fantranstic - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
6/7 - For FFR - 5 or fewer
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - Single Digit Good
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 8 or fewer
5/6 - Uber Rave - 3 or fewer
5/6 - {Midnight} - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Judgment Days - 3 or fewer
5/6 - The Brain of the Moon - 2 or fewer
5/6 - UNknown Girl - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Pretty Green Onions - 5 or fewer*
5/6 - Coat Czech - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Color of Giggles - 4 or fewer
4/5 - P8107 - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Amefuri Koneko - 6 or fewer
4/5 - Idol (Aniko is Pojinju Mix) - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Dazzling Destiny - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Ruins - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Be Princess - 5 or fewer
4/5 - {Rose} - 5 or fewer
4/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Kick Your A - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Carrousel Paradise - 2 or fewer
4/5 - Epic - 5 or fewer
4/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - 2 or fewer
4/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Evil Approaches - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Get Down - 5 or fewer
4/5 - ASB - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Wish (For FFR) - 5 or fewer
3/4 - GO! - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Attack of One Minute - 5 or fewer
3/4 - {Blaze} - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Carol Megamix - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Tension - 5 or fewer
3/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Mother Of God - 5 or fewer
3/4 - MAX Forever - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Deep Breath - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Delirium - Single Digit Good
5/7 - Kyuin - 15 or fewer
5/7 - K8107 - Single Digit Good
5/7 - Balloon Fever - 15 or fewer
4/6 - lolharp5000 - 12 or fewer
4/6 - Kakke Ecko - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Gaussian Blur 2 - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Shihen - 15 or fewer
4/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Air - 12 or fewer
4/6 - {Frozen} - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Gradeus - 7(9) or fewer
4/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 12 or fewer
4/6 - Force Of Light - Single Digit Good
3/5 - ViennaCore - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Dokudenpa - Single Digit Good
3/5 - HELLBEAT v2 - 10 or fewer
3/5 - Takecore of Yourself - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Famouz - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - 12 or fewer
2/4 - CIA Rave - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Playdoh - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - Single Digit Good
4/7 - Vertex BETA - 50 or fewer
4/7 - Turbulence - 20 or fewer
4/7 - Silence - 30 or fewer
3/6 - R176 - 30 or fewer
3/6 - Classical Insanity - 20 or fewer
3/6 - Splash Beats - 30 or fewer
3/6 - Legend - 25 or fewer
4/8 - Turkish March - 60 or fewer
4/8 - Nova Pulser - 25(32) or fewer
3/7 - PLANETZ - Full Combo
3/7 - End Night - 40 or fewer
1/5 - Klung Kung - Full Combo
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
3/8 - Lawn Wake IV - Full Combo
2/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - Full Combo
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] - Requirements
3/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 1,600,000 or higher
3/9 - BB Revenge - 2,600,000 or higher
2/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - Full Combo
0/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - Requirements
0/7 - Sympathizer - Requirements
0/7 - HELLBEAT - Requirements
0/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - Requirements
2/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,350,000 or higher
2/9 - Caprice - 1,250,000 or more
2/9 - Pants - 3,000,000 or higher
2/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,140,000 or higher
2/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,050,000 or higher
0/8 - AIM Anthem - Requirements
0/8 - BB Evolution - Requirements
0/8 - Rottel-da-station - Requirements
0/8 - Strangeprogram - Requirements
0/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - Requirements
1/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,400,000 or higher
0/9 - One Minute Waltz - Requirements
0/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - Requirements
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements


But I disapprove of the token and skill token thing.

[Summerschool]

Originally Posted by Summerschool

Say you could get 3/9 points on a token song, but can't unlock the token. That is requiring skill above the lower point requirements of the token song.

Did that not make any sense? People will be not able to gain certain points within their skill level. Get it?

[Shashakiro]

So Reach, you're saying that if FFR had 50,000 songs of difficulty 9 or higher added tomorrow, it would be remotely reasonable to have tier reqs for every single one of them? Obviously not. You can go to the extreme both ways, ya know.

Of course there's no ABSOLUTELY PERFECT OBJECTIVE system for measuring skill, that's why we try to get the best one possible. My point is that adding a gigantic number of songs to the list only detracts from how much the system measures skill and adds nothing whatsoever to it, because I do not believe it is reasonable to expect an active player to play every new song anymore.

Originally Posted by Reach

Either you accept the fact that this system does not measure absolute skill or you throw it out completely.

And why, pray tell, can there be no compromise between the two? There is most certainly a large difference accuracy-wise between something like grandtotal-based overall rank and the tier system we have now. Your statement makes no sense at all IMO. No one has ever claimed to try to find an absolutely perfect system, I have no idea why you even brought that up--we merely try to refine it to be as accurate as possible.

[talisman]

dude you just used the phrase "pray tell." That's so nineteenth century.

anyway I still say that tiers are silly and a ranking system based on tier points would be better

[jwcgator]

lol pray tell

[GamerShadow]

If anything, we should make the top players list closed off to Tier 2 and better. FC'ing challenging songs isn't doing it anymore, if you do that, you're technically an amateur these days, with all of the competition here in FFR. I believe it should be Masters Only and Gurus Only songs added to this list only.

That would all be IMO of course.

[ledwix]

If only masters songs and gurus songs were counted, Smartdude would be in like Tier Insane. That's not very accurate, unless you only think masters songs make a difference, and AAA'ing all the VC's doesn't mean anything.

[GamerShadow]

You could count VC songs as well, but the FC for them wouldn't count. It's like those VD songs we have, such as Max Forever, where harder req's are worth less. I'm saying, ramp up the diffuculty, so you don't have 1,000 people in the "Top Players" list. It should be exclusive to the top 50ish.

[lumphoboextreme]

375 pts. but seriously, what the hell is this ******ry at the bottom of my list.

1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - ViennaCore - Requirements
0/5 - Color of Giggles - Requirements
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Requirements
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - lolharp5000 - Requirements
0/6 - Judgment Days - Requirements
0/6 - Kakke Ecko - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

[jimerax]

Yea, req songs should be only harder ones since people are getting better.
If most of Tier 3-4 (or like TOP 30-60) people can AAA a song, obviously we don't need to count it.
Quite the same reason as really old benchmarks are useless for newest PCs.

That's why I didn't count low-challenging skill token songs.
but I didn't take old VD/low Challenging songs this time, since most of current players have played them.

As for anti-skill tokens, only P8107 and Judgement Days are used for the req as far as I know. and they are pretty easy to get for at least TOP players.

[Doug31]

Originally Posted by lumphoboextreme

375 pts. but seriously, what the hell is this ******ry at the bottom of my list.

1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - ViennaCore - Requirements
0/5 - Color of Giggles - Requirements
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Requirements
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - lolharp5000 - Requirements
0/6 - Judgment Days - Requirements
0/6 - Kakke Ecko - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

I was actually happy to see all that stuff on mine, since now I can at least see what those new reqs are. However, from the looks of things, it would take me forever to get all the tier points I could, even if I already had all of those songs, like at least 100 more hours of game play, and it's not even close to worth it. Anyone who still cares about the tier points system almost automatically has no life.

[jimerax]

Originally Posted by Summerschool

Did that not make any sense? People will be not able to gain certain points within their skill level. Get it?

because ability to unlock tokens is considered to be a skill.
pointless? eh. then it's better taking it like bonus.
normal tokens and obviously anti-skill tokens are still under discussion.

I know there're some people who are capable of getting some points from some s-token songs but don't have them.

Plus, you even don't have to whore most of those songs if you have skill.
I believe TOP players can easily get those tokens, maybe except for Otaku Oni, and decent points in a couple of tries on those songs.