Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[Mans0n]

Originally Posted by bmah

ok, done

and you dont have to stop being a cool guy unless you want to.
So JX is the only one that updates the queue list?

[jimerax]

I don't see the point to make this system way more lenient than it is now, like insta-accepting 15-16/20.

Also there's a voting system for borderline files, so not really a big deal.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

jesus christ stop your bitching


dossar stop with your butthurt bullshit

everyone else stop with your butthurt bullshit

DEAL WITH IT BITCHES IF YOU DONT LIKE IT SUBMIT YOUR SHIT TO ANOTHER SITE/PACK OR RELEASE AS A SINGLE

Originally Posted by kommisar

Get over your files being rejected and seek insightful ways to make your files better rather than make up excuses and try to work around the system :/

Originally Posted by jimerax

I don't see the point to make this system way more lenient than it is now, like insta-accepting 15-16/20.

Also there's a voting system for borderline files, so not really a big deal.

To be honest, you guys wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you where you got extreme scores on files without proper justification :/

[~Zero~]

I will fix up SS eventually, thanks for the reviews!

[iironiic]

Repost since my question wasn't answered:

Originally Posted by iironiic

I'd like to let you all know that my file is actually a borderline file.

[+][+][+?][+?] = 16 not 17.

EDIT: May I still send in a resubmission, or will I have to wait for next batch?

[leonid]

Even if the current judging system gets changed, you guys will complain about it anyway if your files get rejected

[kommisar]

Ive had countless sm files rejected and the first thing I'd do is ask for help. Bitching about it wouldn't have won me any points with the judges. Same applies here, we can't all conform to everyones ways of thinking or judging.

[bmah]

Q & A time.

Originally Posted by championanwar

Can I PM someone how to fix my "peculiar patterns" file?. . . 'cause the notes all together are a tad confusing x_x.

Feel free to ask anyone who reviewed the file for more details. (if you find me on msn, you can ask)

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

How in the world does a resubmission go from getting 4's and a 5 almost a 5+ to straight 3's? I really don't understand this AT ALL. After a fixed submission, I get lower grades. Did the judges forget to look at the previous batch notes for what was mentioned before? I thought bmah mentioned that last batch but it seems as if some people forgot to do that this time around.

It's very possible that you may end up changing something for the worse, but more likely, it's the issue of contradicting opinions which I've talked about several times before. Seeing how you've made several attempts at the file already, I think it was the right thing to do to PM me. I'll look at the file later and discuss it with you.

Also, read Silvuh's follow-up post on the sync. I think that may have cleared some confusion.

I remember I had to resubmit my Happy Rainbow file 5 times to Tass before it got accepted, and even then, there were disagreements amongst the judges. The issues were a ping-pong of opposing opinions, just like your case. I just was persistent.

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

there are problems being mentioned now that should have been mentioned in the first batch review.

Some issues aren't evident the first few times someone plays a file, and again some issues don't appear to surface until changes to the file have been made. This actually applies with a lot of things in life - from new software updates (to fix bugs that weren't initially evident) to new discoveries that were overlooked the first time.

Also, not everyone may spot the same problem or view certain areas as problematic.

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

Honestly, Plan I would agree with you if this was the 2nd submission. This is her last time she can submit this file. Only 2 resubmissions can be put in.

Maybe you're just mixing things up, but the limit on the number of files one can send is for regular submissions. If you somehow had 8 resubmissions, you could send them all in if you wish. Temporally, however, resubmissions themselves only last for the subsequent batch.

Originally Posted by leonid

Youshou 02 / leonid
rating: [+.]
- hands unnecessary in m7-8; better used for sharper sounds
Fine fixed
- I don't hear some 8ths in the beginning such as beats 13.50, 17.50, etc.
Hear again if the sound is secondary or too quiet, it should be ignored anyhow, just as a note
- ghost 16th at beat 133.75? ghost 8th at beat 330.50?
Nope see above
- m42: first [124] hand and 8th jump necessary here?
Yes. [124] is String+Break+Snare, and 8th jump is Kick+Break
- missed 8th at timpani drums on beat 273.50, 281.50, etc. There are a few more in the upcoming measures.
I didn't layer timpani sounds
- hand is nasty at beat 362; just make it a jump
Fixed
- suggestion: Nice file, but I'll admit that I found some sections rather boring due to the song.
Don't you dare diss a tarolabo song zzzzzzzzzzzz

Originally Posted by cedolad

We should really base teams on how the judges judge.

I at least try to make sure that the judge line-up is suitable...which is why some didn't make it in.

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

+. +. +. +. is 16/20, which isn't queued (17/20).

I personally think this should be good enough, but I think the bar is raised to 17/20 simply because of the influx of files we receive in each batch. I still don't consider this a permanent line of acceptance - I'm pretty sure there can be reasons to change it depending on how a batch fares.
Still, 16/20 is currently considered for voting, so there's still a chance such a file may be accepted.

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

One judge shouldn't have the power to TRUMP reject all the other judges in the team, that's just insane.

I mentioned this in a previous post, but yes, this is still true unfortunately. We tried to fix the problem when it was suggested that a 5/5/5/1 file can have the "1" score dropped if reasons aren't justified. But what if someone thinks that the file is pretty good, but only gives it a [+.] for whatever reason? Then it's goodbye for acceptance (4/5/5/1 for instance).

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

TL;DR: Current system gives too much power to the individual judge, we should throw out the most odd score to make a 'majority' type decision rather than a unanimous one.

Hmm, you have to be careful with this, as you're pretty much suggesting that the judge who provided the lowest score does not know what he/she is talking about. And before you can make such an assumption, we'll have to look more closely at the file itself.

Originally Posted by Mans0n

If that's the case I will have lost most if not all respect i have towards the current system used to judge files

Well now that you've got your file accepted and you're happy about it, above quote suggests that you dislike the system simply on whether your file got in or not.

Originally Posted by iironiic

I'd like to let you all know that my file is actually a borderline file.

[+][+][+?][+?] = 16 not 17.

EDIT: May I still send in a resubmission, or will I have to wait for next batch?

Appreciate your honesty. Your file will go through the voting system, and although I gave your passage D file a [+?], I'd be inclined to vote a yes on your file. It IS fun.

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

You wanna know rude? See Dossar's 5/5/1/5. That's just a huge kick in the ass. The way one person thinks shouldn't dictate the outcome of a file especially in a 4 judge team, jsin. This is a problem, and it needs a solution, whether mine is valid or not.

It's not an issue; a file doesn't have to have consistent opinions - nor should you expect this to happen all the time. Reviewing simfiles is verrry subjective, and you MUST expect this to happen sometimes. It has happened to me before. You cannot simply exclude the odd man out as a "nutcase" who doesn't know what he's talking about (I already said this) just because his rating stood out like a sore thumb.

Originally Posted by qqwref

giving it to jx/bmah is basically changing from four judges' opinions to two, and I thought the whole four-judges system was supposed to avoid having one or two people personally decide your fate.

That is true, but I did make a suggestion earlier that we'd (myself and jx) personally look at a highly disputed file if it appears that no progress has been made and the simfile artist wants to resolve it. I'm currently looking through ichlie's Glorious Morning file and seeing what all the rage is about.

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

Do we need to start tagging our files as "meant as an easy file" or "meant to be fun"?

You know, this is sort of how I felt when I had my easy files rejected*. Remember I asked you and others on how to make a good easy file? My inquiry was the result of what I thought was a misunderstanding of my intentions to make the file easy. Some judges give recognition to such possibilities, but not all the time, and you can't press them on for everything.

*in the end, one of my easy files, Ready to go, was changed to be slightly harder than intended - not what I exactly wanted, but it wasn't too bad. As I said in the past, if it appears that a file isn't turning out how you'd like after fixes, then don't force yourself to submit it. You don't have to. As who_cares (and kommisar) said:

Originally Posted by who_cares973

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT SUBMIT YOUR SHIT TO ANOTHER SITE/PACK OR RELEASE AS A SINGLE

Yep.

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

I agree if they have a LEGITIMATE excuse, but if everyone else gives them a 5 and for example you give them a 1, how is that a fair legitimate excuse? Shouldn't the whole judge team, since you are all elitist step artists apparently, shouldn't you all have and see the SAME errors?

Read some of the responses I've already made above. The answer is no. Also, we're not elites. I honestly like to see myself as a normal person or at least someone who can relate to what others are saying, which is partially why I'm making responses right now to your issues.

Originally Posted by qqwref

Really? It's decently hard as it is; putting 48th rolls all over the place would just be stupid. Does anyone think the judges would give a *better* score if Passage D was stepped with every possible sound?

In my defense, the technicality aspect of that song had nothing to do with stepping every sound, because yes, that would indeed be more of a mess. The main issue had to do with 32nds being 24ths or vice versa or other bursts being stepped in the wrong sync. For another example, look at the notes for my song Fly Away -mix del matador-. I made similar errors.

Originally Posted by i love you

@ Bmah, am i allow to post my notes here?

Ehh, I already posted the Sun and Stars notes on the batch review thread.

Originally Posted by Mans0n

So JX is the only one that updates the queue list?

Yeah, jx officially accepts/rejects files into the game. I really only collect the judges' notes.

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

To be honest, you guys wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you where you got extreme scores on files without proper justification :/

Actually, no, some people in this thread are graciously taking reviews the way they are and are doing their best to fix them. (Please don't view this as a way of "complying to people who are hush hush/shy about making complaints".) That's also not to say that I dislike receiving all the criticisms - please continue to let us know how to improve the judging system. Improvement is a continuous process.

[kommisar]

Ilu bman

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by bmah

It's very possible that you may end up changing something for the worse, but more likely, it's the issue of contradicting opinions which I've talked about several times before. Seeing how you've made several attempts at the file already, I think it was the right thing to do to PM me. I'll look at the file later and discuss it with you.

Also, read Silvuh's follow-up post on the sync. I think that may have cleared some confusion.

I appreciate that, thank you. And yea, AJ offered to help with the sync so hopefully I'll get it right one of these days >.>

[leonid]

The sounds are not secondary or too quiet. They go to actual notes in the bms version just fyi

meanwhile, I halved the layering and completely toned down subconsciousness chart

[jimerax]

About these files:

Sun and Stars - what's i love you's rating for that?

Passage D - our mistake, thanks for reporting. I'll send a pm to judges about it.

Senerade of Storms - forgot too add, it should be accepted too.

[iironiic]

Originally Posted by bmah

Appreciate your honesty. Your file will go through the voting system, and although I gave your passage D file a [+?], I'd be inclined to vote a yes on your file. It IS fun.

No problem :] That raises one last question for me. If the file goes through the voting system, can I submit an edited version when it is in queue, or would you rather make a decision with the edited version?

[bmah]

Originally Posted by jimerax

About these files:

Sun and Stars - what's i love you's rating for that?

His rating was a [+]

Originally Posted by iironiic

No problem :] That raises one last question for me. If the file goes through the voting system, can I submit an edited version when it is in queue, or would you rather make a decision with the edited version?

If your file gets in the queue, you can make small changes anytime you like (until the song's actually in the game). For overhauls, you probably should just submit the file again.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by jimerax

About these files:

Sun and Stars - what's i love you's rating for that?

Passage D - my mistake, thanks for reporting. I'll send a pm to judges about it.

Senerade of Storms - forgot too add, it should be accepted too.

Fixed - I messed up there, don't take responsibility for that. I should have let the other judges know in a bit more obvious manner. I forgot that iironiic was going against w_c and the file ended up in the same group. Honest mistake.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

To be honest, you guys wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you where you got extreme scores on files without proper justification :/

stop assuming things.

connect was rejected TWICE because the judges thought it was boring

when i stepped infernoplex my file wasnt even looked at because"hi19's version is already queued and you probably couldnt do better than him"

when i submitted forsaken neon rebirths review was"my file is better rejected"

yes i do know how it feels and you want to know why you didnt know about it? because i didnt throw a bitch fit like every other god damn person that got dick slapped by the system

[cedolad]

Just work hard and get your files better. Everyone goes through the amateur phase. Just get better and keep working until your files are actually worth something. Be your own critic before you let others critique it.

[who_cares973]

heres a suggestion for a system rehaul

throw out 1-5 and go with letter grades and a 1-10 system

just like grading the final grade would be based on the average of all 4 scores

9-10=A
7-8=B
5-6=C
3-4=D
1-2=F

A=accept
B=light accept
C=conditional accept
D=needs major fixes
F=reject

[iironiic]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

heres a suggestion for a system rehaul

throw out 1-5 and go with letter grades and a 1-10 system

just like grading the final grade would be based on the average of all 4 scores

9-10=A
7-8=B
5-6=C
3-4=D
1-2=F

A=accept
B=light accept
C=conditional accept
D=needs major fixes
F=reject

I approve.

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

heres a suggestion for a system rehaul

throw out 1-5 and go with letter grades and a 1-10 system

just like grading the final grade would be based on the average of all 4 scores

9-10=A
7-8=B
5-6=C
3-4=D
1-2=F

A=accept
B=light accept
C=conditional accept
D=needs major fixes
F=reject

This would be fine, as long as a file doesn't require something dumb like 9.25 average to get in.