Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by iironiic

The main reason why two of the judges gave me a [+?] was because of the lack of technicality when it was purposely made to be a fun file in the first place.

Really? It's decently hard as it is; putting 48th rolls all over the place would just be stupid. Does anyone think the judges would give a *better* score if Passage D was stepped with every possible sound? They wouldn't - it would have "too hard [?]" all over it.

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

Do we need to start tagging our files as "meant as an easy file" or "meant to be fun"? Not all files need to have every little buzz or drum hit stepped and apparently that's a problem to some judges.

Ugh, yeah, agree. I think some judges just completely ignore that there are different styles of stepping, and take off points for something that is objectively fine, but different from how they would have done it.


EDIT: Hey, hang on. The point of the four judges is to see what the general consensus is, right? So we *should* be eliminating clear outliers. A single very good or very bad result shouldn't affect a song's rating, because it's clear that that judge is seeing something most other people wouldn't.

[krunkykai22]

Why not take the 3 highest ratings and add them up and average them out.

5-3-4-4

5+4+4= 13/3 = 4.3333333~ = Pass.

Anything above a 3.5 passes. Weeee <3

or 3.7 / 3.8

[bmah]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

Ah I'm mistaken, Halo gave it a + and the other 2 judges +. So it's all up to i love you who im guessing gave it the same grade as the majority which was +. so that would be 17/20 which is a passing score ftw

I'll be updating the notes in a moment, and yes, you're right.

[qqwref]

Maybe it would be easier to just add another symbol for the grading: [jx], which means "I don't care what the other judges think, jx should personally decide whether to accept this song or not".

[TC_Halogen]

Averaging out to the minimum acceptance rating (4 out of 5) wouldn't be a bad idea in theory, actually. The only issue is when TWO judges have harsh opinions on a file (like 5/5/1/1 = 12 -> 3) and if two judges have that many notes to stack upon to give out a 1, then there might be a problem as well.

EDIT: didn't realize you were taking the highest three ratings -- that doesn't eliminate the problem at all, in fact, I think it might magnify it in the instance of two judges giving a poor rating (5/5/1/1, as mentioned before). And again, it nullifies the thoughts of the other judge, even if they were legitimate or not. It should be up to one of the head judges to choose whether or not they want to discard notes.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

Why not take the 3 highest ratings and add them up and average them out.

Because 5/3/3/2 would be passing lol. Take out the oddball and (3+3+2)/3 = 2.6 (rightful reject)

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Maybe it would be easier to just add another symbol for the grading: [jx], which means "I don't care what the other judges think, jx should personally decide whether to accept this song or not".

Not just jx, but bmah as well. Especially if one of them was a judge in the first place of the file [example: someone in group 2 this batch wants a "jx" grading but he already was a judge for that group, it'd go to bmah instead to keep it fair.]

[krunkykai22]

And in that case you put the file under a "controversial" review. You take the file and send it to JX and bmah and take the mean of there ratings.

IE;

TC_Halogen = 5
qqwref = 5
i love you = 1
samurai = 1

Goes to JX and bmah

JX = 5
bmah = 3

Score = 4


Or any other two judges that would fit the profile so to say.

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

Because 5/3/3/2 would be passing lol. Take out the oddball and (3+3+2)/3 = 2.6 (rightful reject)

Not if the passing grade is a 4. Which is what it should be. 3.7 to be exact.

[Mans0n]

Originally Posted by bmah

I'll be updating the notes in a moment, and yes, you're right.

****in sweet, thanks bmah u da man.


that includes all simfile judges as well.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

Not if the passing grade is a 4. Which is what it should be. 3.7 to be exact.

5/4/3/2 would be passing, your move

[TC_Halogen]

Using an averaging system with a huge spread of ratings (5/5/5/1, 5/5/4/1, 5/5/1/2, w/e), you can have JX/bmah come in to add a 5th and 6th rating to help level (or lower if rightfully deserved).

That might help with files that have wild ranges.

[krunkykai22]

Yeah a 5-3-3-2 file isn't passing. Put it to the calculator it equals out at = 3.6666 whatever.

Under the 3.7 passing grade it does not pass.

3-5-4 would pass with an average 4.
4-4-4 Would pass obviously with an average 4.

It would make things easier to use 3.7/3.8 which would be borderline really good files.



EDIT: yeah I know it would pass. But 3 is an average grade. Meaning it would pass if you look at school grades. C is average to be honest, and you pass with that.

A 5
B 4
C 3
D 2
F 1

There.

[i love you]

So getting straight B's in this judging system is considered a conditional?!

Man, getting an FFR education ain't no joke.

@ Bmah, am i allow to post my notes here?

[ichliebekase]

With the whole average stuff, all of the notes written would have to be put into consideration no matter what. If a file gets 5 3 3 2 and the person who gave the 2 has fully legitimate reasons as to why they gave that rating and ways to fix it, then obviously it'd have to truly be considered. It's all conditional.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

YES, I AM SUFFERING TO THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE SONG, THANKS FOR ASKING

Assuming suffering means referring in your language, no, I'm not talking about the middle.

I'm actually referring to the introduction, where you have repeated descending scales, and the first note is accented with a jump. It's just a descending 4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1 (etc.) scale that repeats over and over again. When the strings come in, you could have an actual excuse to use jumps if you so chose to.

A lot of the pitch relevancy in the song is generally incorrect in terms of following the piano, and while I understand the accenting of jumps for heavier sounds or a louder piano, you should still try to improve upon the general pitch because the song itself is relatively short.

Ight, I'll look into it some more. Was kinda thinking it was the middle part at first since that was one of the parts I was iffy about, but I'll relook through it and mess around with it a bit to see what comes out. Piano songs are tricky so im still learning about the whole correct PR to use and such for them. lol.

[krunkykai22]

You know, Byron that is the best post I've seen in a long time.

If you look at the way judging and reviews have gone in the past 3 or 4 batches, you'll see just how strict the majority of people have gotten.

The file would have to be amazing to pass to be honest.

This system with a 3.8 makes the files Great. Not AMAZING because to be honest, some files may be great to some and shitty to another. RATO/DP/grind2/RAN for example. Those files to some are the shittiest things ever. But to the judges it passed.

And, in my opinion, not all songs have to be FANTASTIC OR AMAZING to 3/4 judges for the file to pass. It can be acceptable.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Ight, I'll look into it some more. Was kinda thinking it was the middle part at first since that was one of the parts I was iffy about, but I'll relook through it and mess around with it a bit to see what comes out. Piano songs are tricky so im still learning about the whole correct PR to use and such for them. lol.

Hey man, it comes with a lot of practice. Here's a general idea for you to follow for songs that have a running melody (and therefore will be your main source of layering) -- try to make running melodies PR'd, and then any accents that play along side of them that you choose, to be free-form. This way, you can accurately represent your running melody with good pitch, and then accurately account for accents by increases in layering when they're due.

Also, not really going to go about how to deal with the rating system; it might upset some people. All I will say is, 16 should be a borderline, but only 4/4/4/4 should pass without an appeal of any sort (4 +.'s equals consistency).

[who_cares973]

jesus christ stop your bitching


dossar stop with your butthurt bullshit

everyone else stop with your butthurt bullshit

DEAL WITH IT BITCHES IF YOU DONT LIKE IT SUBMIT YOUR SHIT TO ANOTHER SITE/PACK OR RELEASE AS A SINGLE

[bmah]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

****in sweet, thanks bmah u da man.


that includes all simfile judges as well.

ok, done

[kommisar]

Get over your files being rejected and seek insightful ways to make your files better rather than make up excuses and try to work around the system :/