TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

[Nighthawk252]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

If we kill the cult leader tonight then I'm totally OK with a Zenith lynch tomorrow

If we don't get the CL tonight, are you OK with letting this sort itself out? If not, how is it getting resolved before endgame?

What if there's no CL in this game? There's like a 29% chance that's the case.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

If you didn't already say that you're gonna out the CL if you get converted then you'd be a fantastic conversion target.

There's imo too much information for any threats to town to work with but we realistically couldn't help it in this kind of setup especially when we had two early claims that were realized to be more influential on how town needs to go about their days and it's better that lurker and I outed

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

hey guys, just got off the overnight train. i have to take a 2 hour nap since i'm going out for lunch later. since we have an hour before the end of the phase, where do the people not voting right now stand?

you are in a KitB with me right now

and you are not mentioning any sort of feel of fear from lynch or even broke a sweat what the fuq

[freakysnots]

i don't have the time to read 500 posts.

4 -- freakysnots -- j-rodd123 (141), Charu (98), storn42 (40), _Zenith_ (199)

looking at the people voting for me,

i called jrodd SK, idk charu anything prior to me leaving, idk about storn, zenith is voting me for self preservation.

so i'm interested in the people not voting and what they think.

[Nighthawk252]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

You are a reasonable lynch.

You publicly stated that you are unwilling to help town if I'm not lynched, ergo you are detrimental to town and town does not need that in this fucky of a setup.

Nothing changed about my status about dying; I am known for being sacrificial and literally most if not all players currently in this game knows that, and they also know I am true to my word when I say I do not give a fucking shit if I die.

However, I want to live this phase out before town really needs me to die.

In order to solve the problem of me being anti-town, the town has to either waste a lynch on me or on you. If they waste the lynch on you, I don't carry the hated baggage and don't carry the baggage of any other win conditions. Wasting the lynch on you puts the town in a better situation than wasting the lynch on me.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk252

In order to solve the problem of me being anti-town, the town has to either waste a lynch on me or on you. If they waste the lynch on you, I don't carry the hated baggage and don't carry the baggage of any other win conditions. Wasting the lynch on you puts the town in a better situation than wasting the lynch on me.

Lynching either of us works for town you fool

[Charu]

I think... at the moment, Night, town can't agree with your demands.

Lynching freaky here would yield more information than fulfilling your wincon. Sorry to say this, but I will not vote for Zenith tonight. We'll see how the later phases shapes up though, we might be able to compromise further down the line. Right now though, it's impossible, because if we comply with your demands, town is at more of a disadvantage.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk252

If we don't get the CL tonight, are you OK with letting this sort itself out? If not, how is it getting resolved before endgame?

What if there's no CL in this game? There's like a 29% chance that's the case.

If there's no cult leader (and we can somehow prove it) then sure

The CL, if left alive, GROWS in power every day
Non-cult DIMINISHES every day

Missing a cult today and then throwing away a chance at getting a cult tomorrow is a horrendous town play

Do you see where I"m coming from?

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk252

Actually Mashi too, you can take a shot at it too, I think you'll be reasonable. I'm trying to help you here--your Day 2 lynch will be a lot better than your Day 1 lynch will be.

The thing about that though is that with a Day 1 lynch, we get a cardflip earlier than later. If we lynch a Wolf or Cultist Leader, it's mega helpful for us. If we lynch a Human, then people have something to base their Night actions off of.

If we lynch Zenith, the cardflip won't tell us anything and Night actions will be based on non-confirmed details and reads, which I think would be much less helpful for us in the long term.

I don't know if you trust me, but I'll push for a Zenith lynch next Day Phase so you can achieve your own victory condition, so long as you help us achieve ours afterwards (you would get brownie points!!!). I feel like people would be convinced to oblige, at least.

[freakysnots]

zenith, if i recall you auto lose any kitb because you are hated?

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Lynching either of us works for town you fool

Lynching you is technically more beneficial since you have Hated Modifier.

Sorry, Zenith. :c

[DaBackpack]

lurker also has a hated modified guys

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

hey guys, just got off the overnight train. i have to take a 2 hour nap since i'm going out for lunch later. since we have an hour before the end of the phase, where do the people not voting right now stand?

I'm not voting you yet cause I don't want you instaed but you're still my top lynch

[Nighthawk252]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Basically what the exchange is is this

By sacrificing Zenith we get Nighthawk helping us (this is the only benefit)

Or we get an actual useful cardflip and Nighthawk being a total asshat

I'm not being an asshat, I'm playing towards my wincon.

[DaBackpack]

this is really damn important

[Charu]

Yeah? Then we should lynch lurker under that premise.

I feel like we're now just going in a big god damn circle.

[Nighthawk252]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

lurker also has a hated modified guys

Yes, he does. But he doesn't have the added baggage of a townsided player voting for him every phase until he's dead.

[DaBackpack]

since lurker is also hated the only benefit of lynching zenith is getting nighthawk "on our side"

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by storn42

plop is anti-town.

how did you pull this out of your ass?

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

lurker also has a hated modified guys

If we don't comply with Nighty at some point, he'll just team up with the Wolves in late game. And while it's potentially possible to vigi him, it would be a waste of a vigi, since lynching Zenith would allow us to be in Nighty's good spirits. And since in both cases we lose a kill, lynching Zenith is more beneficial, I think.