MapleStory

[Chromer]

Link to Sensitive Point please?

[Farka]

Yeah so Tps said that installing a language pack from that link, banditcom, is dangerous for the pc because something with the registry, I don't know...are there any risks in downloading the language pack and installing it?

[Lain_Iwakura]

Originally Posted by Chromer

Link to Sensitive Point please?

http://www.deadfrog.us/index.php?act=entry&id=6500


download the torrent there.

[Afrobean]

[edit... didn't mean for this to be so tl;dr rofl of well. Skip it if you want. There is no real strong connection to MapleStory in this post.]

Originally Posted by banditcom

I like how you guys think it's okay to bash a whole culture because you're one of them.

Who does have a right to bash a culture then? Is it ok to bash an outside culture? A culture you don't even know first hand? I'd say people have the most right to bash their own culture than anyone else.

Besides, Americans are assholes in general. Anyone who doesn't think this is incredibly naive.

Yes, there are Americans who are not assholes. There are tons, I'm sure. But if you were to randomly pick a person out of the US population, that person would very surely be far more self centered than is truly necessary. For example, haven't you ever been cut off while driving? The other day someone cut over 3 lanes because they nearly missed their exit. They easily could have caused an accident (or even a pile up ). Would that inconvenience to everyone else be worth saving the <5 minutes it'd take to hit the next exit and turn around?

How about when you're doing a bit over the speed limit and someone behind you decides "hmm I need to be in front of them". So they speed up and get in front of you. Then, once they're in front of you, they drop down to whatever speed you were at before. So basically they just wanted to be in front of you. For what reason? Hmm... well they'll get where they're going about .1 seconds sooner. Was that worth the trouble? They just wanted to be in front of you.

My opinion is that most people just have it stuck in their head that they're the only ones that matter. While this is inherently true (to themselves, that is) it is not necessary to inconvenience others when you have so little to gain. This is the mantra of the average American though.

Also, people in America tend to take pleasure in others' pain. Lots of people KS just for the "fun" of it. They like to piss people off. It's fun for them. Personally, I get the feeling that lots of hackers do this too. Just today, Keeto and I were fighting at Grims when some low level hacker comes in and starts vacking. He spammed something like "who am I" over and over, then left when Keeto changed channels. This is also what drives many WoW players. They play to kill other players, just because they know it pisses them off.

[jamuko]

I hate that about our culture :/ I personally take a lot more pleasure in helping others out, at least as long as they seem like people worth helping. I can't understand how someone could enjoy angering others so much, unless those others are jerks themselves (I have to admit it can be fun to mess with people who deserve it).

It's why I always like to play as the healing class in games. Sure, I guess it kind of puts me into the weak girly-girl white mage stereotype, but hey, I get a lot of satisfaction from being able to keep my friends alive. It's also fun to help out random people (if they don't seem like idiots or act entitled to it).

[banditcom]

You said in general. The scenarios you listed are not in general. -_-; In general would be most people doing that. Most "Americans" are not assholes. Plus what you consider to be an asshole is far different than someone who isn't a loner...

Also I believe people who talk about socializations when they are pretty anti-social, really have not much of an idea of what they are talking about. Especially with how pessimistic they are.

I say grow up. :/ To both you and Noah. Or just move to some place where you think the people there aren't the majority assholes. But that won't fix anything because you'll end up "finding" that in every culture. Learn to not look at the negative side or focus on that. You'll always hate people and will only like the ones who dislike them as much as you do. It's hard to explain other than you're both unrealistic.

Let us say you are both at a party. I know both of you will pretty much look at everyone there in a pessimistic and negative way. Won't associate with them. Just assume bad things because they are either smoking, drinking, or the fact that they are there. It's rather obvious. I mean neither of you have buddy lists, do you? Afro you only have one as a list to contact DKs.

Oh, and funny you mention Americans as 'American' is generally a term for the United States citizens. Most people I have met in game are from Canada.

[Afrobean]

I like how you didn't even comment on the gaming aspect of what I said when that's the only thing that really has anything to do with anything in this thread.

Point is: people take pleasure from others' misery. I, and others feel that this is terrible. People in Japan have more respect for each other. Therefore, gaming in the Japanese version of the game is much more pleasant. There is almost no way that you'd ever get KS'd or sack'd in jMS. Then again, I would probably guess that most of the people who would have KS'd you in gMS before are now just having all maps to begin with because they're botting and hacking there.

EDIT: you edit slut you. whatever.

EDIT: I had a lot more buddies before but I pretty much quit my priest. Now I just have a DK and a CB that are active. I used to have a few DKs, I think a few saders, and at least 1 WK. Admittedly, most of my buddy list is actually alternates for people I already know.

EDIT: By the way, all of my in real life friends are what could easily be called "a bad influence". Alcohol, drugs, you name it. I'm pretty sure every one of them has been in jail for one reason or another (mostly fighting, probably although some of them would definitely be drugs). Not sure what drinking or smoking has to do with not being social, but just thought that was relevant enough to mention.

[Farka]

Originally Posted by Farka

Yeah so Tps said that installing a language pack from that link, banditcom, is dangerous for the pc because something with the registry, I don't know...are there any risks in downloading the language pack and installing it?

This is text. Answer my quote please.

[jamuko]

o_O I didn't catch Banditcom's link, but if it's just the normal language pack that comes on the Windows installation CD, there is nothing wrong with it. It's a normal part of Windows ^^; just an optional one.

[Farka]

Tps said something about the pc I want to install it on having service pack 1. Does that mean anything?

[jamuko]

Oh, maybe. I use SP2 so I'm not really knowledgeable about the incompatibilities with 1, sorry. :/

[ckj846]

Originally Posted by banditcom

You said in general. The scenarios you listed are not in general. -_-; In general would be most people doing that. Most "Americans" are not assholes. Plus what you consider to be an asshole is far different than someone who isn't a loner...

Also I believe people who talk about socializations when they are pretty anti-social, really have not much of an idea of what they are talking about. Especially with how pessimistic they are.

I say grow up. :/ To both you and Noah. Or just move to some place where you think the people there aren't the majority assholes. But that won't fix anything because you'll end up "finding" that in every culture. Learn to not look at the negative side or focus on that. You'll always hate people and will only like the ones who dislike them as much as you do. It's hard to explain other than you're both unrealistic.

Let us say you are both at a party. I know both of you will pretty much look at everyone there in a pessimistic and negative way. Won't associate with them. Just assume bad things because they are either smoking, drinking, or the fact that they are there. It's rather obvious. I mean neither of you have buddy lists, do you? Afro you only have one as a list to contact DKs.

Oh, and funny you mention Americans as 'American' is generally a term for the United States citizens. Most people I have met in game are from Canada.

People cutting off other people while driving is a general situation. Happens everyday numerous times. And loners can be assholes, thus making them loners. The point that Afro and Noah are trying to make is that the mindset of the American people is generally selfish and a bit moronic. Look at the war in Iraq. LETZ GO CHARGE IN, THERE AREWEAPONZ OF MASS DESTRUCTION (BUT REALLY I WANT TO AVENGE MY FATHER LOLOLOL). Look at homeless people. Look at social security. If Americans truly weren't selfish (not necessarily assholes, I don't agree with that part) the country would be a lot different.

I think it's easier for me to make a comparison because I lived in Japan for a month over the summer. Things over there are a lot different, you have no idea. People are polite, they take time out of their busy schedules to help you around, they are clean, they are respectful, and they really look out for each other. There are almost no homeless people, even in the most crowded cities (I saw one homeless person in Keio Plaza in Tokyo, the center of the city.) It's just that, things in other countries are a lot different. You yourself said that most of your friends are from Canada. Doesn't that prove my/our point?

Being pessimistic is completely irrelelvant in this context. Americans being selfish and generally assholes is a blatant truth. It isn't like Noah and Chris are trying to find bad in the good of something, it is a proven idea. Again, we are NOT talking about a social setting. (Personally, I would rather be around Japanese kiddos because they are kinder and I can communicate with them relatively easy. You, on the other hand, would not be able to communicate as well, so you would want to be around American people or English speaking people IN A SOCIAL SETTING.) In GMS (with english speaking people), there is so much ksing, drama, hacking, botting, stealing, scamming, and other things. How is this not selfish and a general form of assholery? There is almost none of that in JMS, and THAT is what Noah and Chris enjoy. Communication.. you can learn to communicate. You can't change the actions of EVERYONE in an entire social setting.

Americans CAN be assholes. But that is a large assumption to make. But we, as a country, are really selfish and inconsiderate. If that is your definition of an asshole, so be it.

ON TOPIC: Level 33 lawl. 9 lit ~200 damage at crows =]

O_o

[banditcom]

Afro:
Um.. I did comment. And said most of the people I've come across are Canadian in game. So really you're calling them all assholes too.

And what if I considered you an asshole for looking at all the bad and none of the good?

The party example was just an example, because some people will consider those who party as negative.

Cam:
I said most people I've run into are from Canada. I never said most of my friends. It's actually pretty even. Just saying how they bash all Americans = asshole (GUESS I'M ONE) when most are Canadians. GG generalizing Americans.

And pessimism is completely relevant. They don't even try to make friends in the game or be social. They avoided it from the very beginning, only being social with us from FFR.

"People cutting off other people while driving is a general situation." Yeah and so is murder, which happens every day. lawl guess the majority of us are murderers too!

Oh and comparing GMS to JMS, which are widely different age groups ("American" gamers are much younger than the "Japs").. Yeah, nice one. Plus rofl guess what? I'm told by EVERYONE in JMS not to ever speak English in public because the Japs (oh noes was told this is an offensive term in JMS) will get mad and ****. Yeah, they are real nice. I bet the Africans think Japan is selfish too. All context and viewpoints. Which comes back to the pessimism and why it is relevant.


Reason I bring this up: I have many wonderful friends in game, so I find it very insulting.

[MalReynolds]

The drive to be better than something (be it a person, a situation, a country, a social standing) is what drives everyone all the time. Even you, Afro, have an elitist attitude over what is normal and what isn't - you're trying to distance yourself from other people, make your opinion valid, and use it to rise above. Everyone does it. Everyone. Not exclusive to America.

You get dumb kids playing MS in America. You get smart people like Jason. You get loner types, like you. Age has everything to do with it. Kids are denied power when they're younger by a systemic system that ultimatley helps benefit them, and they have to take it out somewhere. Playground, classroom, internet.

And Cam, sweet Jesus, the "we went in there to avenge daddy" is the weakest invasion reason anyone has ever come up with. I'm fine with oil, or WMDs, or lies - but to think like that is to be spoon-fed the opinion of so many skull-drudgers.

Everything I said also applies to me, just so people don't think I'm trying to instate some kind of double standard here.

Anyone who does not wish to be better than everyone is a fool.

[jamuko]

I'm not so sure I want to get into this argument, but I will say that I, too have met some awesome people through this game and am now friends with them outside of it. I love these people, and I have a great nostalgia for Maple now because of them.

However, I can't deny that there is also a rather large quantity of people who are flat-out annoying to deal with in the game, and I haven't seen anything near like it in JMS. Whether it's because of age, culture, whatever, doesn't really matter if the simple fact is that one will generally provide you with a more pleasant experience with random strangers than the other.

I still love GMS and always will, but I have to agree that JMS has a friendlier overall community from what I've seen.

[ToshX]

Man, tl;dr'd after Banditcom's post about ending in "Americans generally refers to people living in the United States" or something.

My opinion is that I like most Americans. I would come to like Japanese if I spoke Japanese, but hey, I don't. I don't dislike them, I just look at them with neutrality.

I do, however, like many people FFR doesn't. In fact, the way I view people is almost the opposite of that of FFR. I love weeaboos, the 13 year olds you consider "annoying"(they're actually pretty cool, and can be cute. Now I know coming from me, that sounds sexual, but it really isn't), the SG/MY, the hackers, etc.

However, I hate people who waste time. Specifically, my time. There's nothing more annoying than a kid in a PQ who takes 30 ****ing seconds to go from #1 to #2 while we yell at him/her.

Also, I love to listen to people rant. It actually calms me down.

[ckj846]

Originally Posted by banditcom

Cam:
I said most people I've run into are from Canada. I never said most of my friends. It's actually pretty even. Just saying how they bash all Americans = asshole (GUESS I'M ONE) when most are Canadians. GG generalizing Americans.

You're taking it too literally I think. Sure, we're making a generalization, but just because there are a handful of cool people on GMS doesn't mean that most of them are like that. Which is exactly what a generalization is. I know there are cool people in GMS, it's just that I have to ask myself, do I want to put the time in to find those people? Or can I just go to a place where I know the people are GENERALLY kinder? It's not black and white. I understand where you're coming from, but generalizations aren't 100% true. You should know that. It's no excuse, but I'm just saying.. I think you're taking it a bit too literally when Noah and Chris are saying LAWL AMERICANS ON KAEDE SUCK BALLS HAX HAX HAX. Sorry if I'm putting words into their mouths, this is just what I think.

Originally Posted by banditcom

And pessimism is completely relevant. They don't even try to make friends in the game or be social. They avoided it from the very beginning, only being social with us from FFR.

Again, I am not in Bera. I do not know what they are like around the guild or anyone else for that matter, other then the contact that I've had with them via AIM or JMS. Avoiding people doesn't neccessarily imply that someone is being pessimistic. It doesn't mean they are thinking "I think that all people are retards and thus I shall not make an effort to talk to any of them." Maybe something happened between friends and they didn't want to start it up again. Maybe they were content with the friends they already had. You have the right to make that generalization, but I just don't think you should use it to justify your point when there really is no evidence of it (from my understanding). Again, I'm this useless kid who has no idea, really, what has happened on Bera so I am a bit limited in what I can say.

Originally Posted by banditcom

"People cutting off other people while driving is a general situation." Yeah and so is murder, which happens every day. lawl guess the majority of us are murderers too!

Because you witness a murder everyday right? I get cutoff almost everyday. I would consider that a general situation. Just like I brush my teeth everyday and swim everyday. Unless you're homocidal, I doubt you witness, personally, a muder everyday.

Originally Posted by banditcom

Oh and comparing GMS to JMS, which are widely different age groups ("American" gamers are much younger than the "Japs").. Yeah, nice one. Plus rofl guess what? I'm told by EVERYONE in JMS not to ever speak English in public because the Japs (oh noes was told this is an offensive term in JMS) will get mad and ****. Yeah, they are real nice. I bet the Africans think Japan is selfish too. All context and viewpoints. Which comes back to the pessimism and why it is relevant.

I understand that maturity is a factor, but also remember that I'm basing my arguments off of when I was actually living in Japan with kids of all ages. And you're told by everyone to not speak in English in public? Noah and I do it all the time. And the "japs" (this is an offensive term in general. Used during WWII in the internment camps. My grandma told me this because she was IN one for the majority of her childhood.) probably get annoyed in Kaede because there are so many English speaking players who DON'T MAKE AN EFFORT to learn the Japanese language. Japanese people are all about respect. You can't automatically expect respect from someone when you don't have the decency to be respectful towards their culture.

Originally Posted by banditcom

Reason I bring this up: I have many wonderful friends in game, so I find it very insulting.

I know. I'm not insulting you. I agree with you. But I also agree with Noah and Chris. It's all on context and viewpoints right? So in this case, nobody is wrong and nobody is right.

And Mal, I was exaggeratting it to prove my point. That's how the media reacted, which is probably what 99% of society thinks at this point. Which proves my point even further.

And really, I don't want to argue. We all have our friends, online, offline, GMS, JMS, but all that matters is that we're having fun right? So Jason, you can stay in GMS. I'm staying in JMS. I understand why you like GMS better and I hope you understand my thinking of JMS and the community.

O_o

[magister_negi_magi]

Originally Posted by Farka

This is text. Answer my quote please.

It worked fine for me, if not so much for jMS as having all that Touhou music and being unable to decipher filenames =/

[evilbutterfly]

About to go to work so I can't say all I want to, but I'll just go with this:

Japanese people are bashed in the head with respect from the day they're born.
Americans are bashed in the head with selfishness (yay capitalism!) from the day they're born.

This has a huge effect on how people will generally treat you in either society.

[harukaede]

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