Homosexual Marriages

[Playingplayer]

How is getting married "in your face"? Do gay couples regularly come over to your house and ask if they can have their wedding there? You are not forced to attend, you are not forced to watch, it is your choice to have this behavior "in your face" or not.

While I would be upset if a gay couple were getting a little to friendly in public, I would feel the same way if it was a straight couple. Why should they be subject to different standards because some people find two men holding hands "sickening"? Almost everything is sickening to someone, should be disallow everything then?

I would hope that as human beings we would know better then to look down about people who are simply different. Look at it this way, when you die, would you rather say to God "I oppressed some of your sons and daughters because they were different from me" or, "I treated everyone equally and trusted in your guidance and wisdom to decide if it's right or wrong."?

The only real argument that I've found for disallowing gay marriage is a religious belief that they are sinners for doing so. So, by disallowing this, we are mixing church and state, and need to seperate them as soon as possible. Churchs don't have to marry gay people if they don't want, but they have NO right to dictate how gay people should live their lives.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by Jam930

No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married.

I don't think homoeroticism is acceptable behavior in public. Sickening.

Who cares if monkeys touch other monkeys and crap like that. We are humans being and we know better... most of us anyways.

Marriage is a man and woman. Homos can create their own marriage type thing, they don't need the government's approval to be homo.

That was a fairly homophobic post. Firstly, most homosexuals do not like to draw attention to themselves in public. They usually get enough attention, getting harassed about being gay, etc.

Let me ask you this, where do you draw the line here? Because I draw it in the same place as I draw it with straight people. Do you draw it at holding hands, hugging, kissing, extended kissing, or sex? I draw it somewhere between extended kissing and sex, for all couples. As long as they aren't removing clothing or causing a scene, I don't care whether they're gay or straight. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Gay people can share regular kisses in public as long as they aren't eating each other's faces...

Now wherever you draw the fucking line, it had better fucking well be the same place where you draw the line for straight couples, or you, my friend, are a homophobe. And that is NOT a good thing to be.

[ChEeKyGaTo]

Originally Posted by peregrine

addressing the slippery slope stuff: seems the problem is with this, that homosexual marriages would open the door for other unorthodox unions to be granted legal recognition. Honestly, I don't see how this is something woth preventing. Let's take the most extreme case: beastiagamy (-gamy is the suffix regarding marriage, beastiality is the wrong word, technically) Hell, I'll even take it further, people trying to get married to inanimate objects. Let's consider the benefits of marriage: legal power concerning your partner, tax breaks / economic benefits. Concerning legal power, if the partner is incapable of communicating their wishes to humans, then we really can't do anything for them, now can we? I highly doubt Lassie could convice a doctor to draw up a DNR request for somebody. I think this would essentially take care of all situations of pairings between humans and animals, rocks, computers (non-AI comps, hell I'd even say if somebody wanted to get married to sentient AI program... go for it).

Hells yeah dude, that rock out there in my front lawn is damn sexy!

[ChEeKyGaTo]

My best friend's dad died, and guess what? His father had it in his will that my friend (his name is Eddie) would live with his homosexual aunt and her life partner. They are doing a damn good job raising Eddie, and its not like they are camp gay, or bull dykes or whatever, they are just normal people who happen to like the same sex, and Eddie is very happy with them. Its not like people at his new school say OMG U HAV 2 MOMS!!! UR GOING TO BE GAYYY!! HAHAHAHA LOLOLOL!!!! It just pisses me off when people discriminate another person because of sex/race/religion/whatever and i think you should just leave them alone and let them adopt a kid or two and get some governmental benifits, afterall they are raising a kid/kids so why not help them out a bit? They pay taxes and work like anyother schmoe..I dont even think this should be such a big thing, god damn give them their fucking tax break.

[ayanepuck]

wow...with an attitude like that, I am surpised that you don't discriminate more often.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by ayanepuck

wow...with an attitude like that, I am surpised that you don't discriminate more often.

Might help if you include who you're talking to.

[Jam930]

Originally Posted by Chrissi

That was a fairly homophobic post. Firstly, most homosexuals do not like to draw attention to themselves in public. They usually get enough attention, getting harassed about being #$*, etc.

Let me ask you this, where do you draw the line here? Because I draw it in the same place as I draw it with straight people. Do you draw it at holding hands, hugging, kissing, extended kissing, or sex? I draw it somewhere between extended kissing and sex, for all couples. As long as they aren't removing clothing or causing a scene, I don't care whether they're #$* or straight. They can do whatever the hell they want.

#$* people can share regular kisses in public as long as they aren't eating each other's faces...

Now wherever you draw the #$#ing line, it had better #$#ing well be the same place where you draw the line for straight couples, or you, my friend, are a homophobe. And that is NOT a good thing to be.

I don't think I'm truly a homophobe, but homos do scare me. Why would being a homophone be any worse than being a homo?

And that is NOT a good thing to be.

According to your "philosophy" if homophobes are bad things to be, then homos are too, in fact they're worse. They're even more different from society than homophobes are.

I don't think you can blame people for fears, it's an uncontrollable emotion.

You don't like broccoli??!?!?! ! YOU SUCK



that's just stupid. =/

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by Jam930

No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married.

I live in Palm Springs. In case you didnt know, Palm Springs is the Homo-Party-Place. This is where gays come to vacation. Every year, Palm Springs is the host of the White Party (a Homosexual Gathering/Party). The mayor of Palm Springs is openly gay. Maybe it is because of the environment I was raised in, but a Homosexual sharing a kiss is no different than a heterosexual couple sharing a kiss in my opinion. I dont see what is so disgusting about it. I dont see why people think it is so disgusting. If two people love eachother, then let them do as they please. Is a homosexual marriage hurting anyone?

Homosexuals have been accepted in almost every culture except for "western" cultures. From Samurais, to Greeks...across the world, homosexuals have been accepted as normal people until recently...when a book called the Bible came about a fucked the world over. Well, Jesus never married...and he had a group of men follow him everywhere he went...makes you think.

Originally Posted by Jam930

homophone

That would be the best invention in the world.

[Jam930]

Wow I really said that! =D

Gays can be as gay as they want. But I would just like to not have to endure any sight of homosexual interraction, or be forced into a minority of heterosexuals.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by Jam930

I don't think I'm truly a homophobe, but homos do scare me. Why would being a homophone be any worse than being a homo?

According to your "philosophy" if homophobes are bad things to be, then homos are too, in fact they're worse. They're even more different from society than homophobes are.

I don't think you can blame people for fears, it's an uncontrollable emotion.

You don't like broccoli??!?!?! ! YOU SUCK



that's just stupid. =/

Okay, now why is being a homophobe the same thing as being homosexual? I don't understand this. And, using your broccoli example, it more of shows how stupid it is to be a homophobe. "I don't like broccoli, so I don't like people who like broccoli. They shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else." and etc.

I think heterosexuals are almost already a minority. Well, they always were... everybody sits somewhere on the scale between "hetero" and "homo". Everybody. Hardly anybody is 100% either way. It's the way humans are, we're curious about everything, and that includes our own sex. Now, a lot of people are about 99% straight, but more and more people are admitting that they're bisexual or gay. The scale isn't balanced, nor will it ever be, but very very few people are 100% straight. I really think the whole "straight bisexual gay" tags are kind of silly. Why can't we just live how we feel, and not have to worry about what it's called? However, due to the issues that society has with homosexuality, the labels have to stay... for now. I hope they disappear eventually. People like Jam are who are holding it back.

And, I have to say... jewpin is a very wise man.

[talisman]

Here's what I suggest, tell me if you think it makes sense.

A Compromise:

Change the definition of marriage to a legal sanctified union between any two human adults over the age of 18.

Therefore gays can get married but child lovers or those who practice bestiality (it is bestiality, you know, not beastiality) cannot.

Now, the reason the slippery slope theory is wrong is that in order for any group to change anything, it has to be at least as large or larger than the group opposed to that change. In America today, it's not that the number of homosexuals is greater than the number of straight people, it's that the number of people whether gay or straight who support legally recognized homosexual marriage is rapidly approaching the number of people opposed: hence it becomes an issue.

The only way that those who practice bestiality, for example, could get their unions recognized is if enough people in America think that they should.

And why should homosexual marriages open the door to all these other possible unions? Each of these minority groups must climb the same mountain: the path does not get easier just because another group has done it before them.

Oh and for those having problems:

put empty bold tags in the word gay to make it gay.

[Chrissi]

Side note: I refuse to do anything about the word gay, because it's not an offensive word and shouldn't be censored in the first place. If people can't tell what I'm talking about, that's the censor's fault.

[HeLGeN-X]

I think homosexual marriage is stupid... actually I think marriage in general is stupid. I see no point in marriages gay, or straight. I see it like, if you really love that one person, why don't you just stay with them forever? What does a marriage prove? Oh, so you spend like over $5000 for everyone to see you kiss your boyfriend/girlfriend? Maybe I dislike marriage because I'm non-religious, I don't know, I just see no point in it.
And I want to know one thing... what will the priest say when two men or women marry? "I know pronounce you, husband and husband/wife and wife." That would be hilarious.

[Chrissi]

Marriage provides legal benefits. You save money by becoming more like one person than two, to the goverment.
I, myself, am going to get married, but I am not going to spend 5000 bucks. Basically it's just get some papers signed, maybe have some rings. No big fancy ceremony. Very little money involved. I just want to BE married.. I don't want to GET married.

Of course this is assuming that I get married to my cu rrent boyfriend, which is the most probably path right now. Since I'm bisexual, there IS a chance that I'd get married to a female. But I live in Canada, where they're better about this stuff. So no problem.

[DJ_Analog]

Gay marriage is just a way for gay couples to get in the spotlight again and also for benefits. So its not really about "love" its about money to themand like chardish said "it cheapens the meaning of marriage", exactly because like chardish said marriage is about raising a family when half the couples don't want to raise children they want government benefits and to be noticed for being gay.


P.S. I'm Christian so I am also against the moral ethics of it

[jewpinthethird]

I agree, the cernsorship of the word gay should be taken off...but there is a story behind...back when FFR was in its first few months or so, the forums all seemed to be flamewars. One of the words used most often to insult people was "gay." So to prevent people from using it as a insult, Synth cernsored it.

[Chrissi]

The meaning of marriage is already gone. It never had meaning to me. It's just benefits.

Marriage has meaning if you're religious. Otherwise I don't see why it should have any sort of meaning. It's a government thing if it's not religious. Just means you're spending your life with this person.

[DracIV]

I think the main point for arguing against gay marriages isn't religious or government, it's social. Marriage has become a major part of our society- most people don't enjoy it when you shift around their definitions. At this point, the general view held by society is that being gay is a negative thing and from a general view point homosexuality is to be discouraged and avoid. On an individual standpoint that view is dropped, but on a societal standpoint, homosexuality is to be discouraged; officially recognizing gay marriage is encouraging it and thus considered by many as a bad thing.

[scrobytilt]

The US we are defined as the land of freedom and for over 150 years church and state has been seperated, so what other reasons does the government have to ban gay marriages? Sorry but using the "religious excuse" is BS.I mean gay marriages do less harm then abortion and assisted suicide but yet they attract more attention then both those subjects combined. The government and church should have no affiliation and therefore if you wanna say that gay marriage will send us all to hell then thats not a good answer for this thread.
My Answer:
The constitution clearly states that it will protect the rights of all its citizens. Is not being allowed to demonstrate your true love for someone through marriage a basic right for people? No government of FREE people has the right to restrict that union to male and female and to do that is SEGREGATION towards a group of people that can not change who they are.*

P.S. remember gay people are PEOPLE. and to say things like "gay marriages cheapen the name of marriage" is derogatory and rotten. You should have better manors then to talk down to people that aren't physically or emotionally different from. We are all God's creatures so show some ****ing respect

* I know this because my father is a psychologist and i have taken psychology courses and no correlations have been found and no experiments have proven that there is push motives (enviornmental factors) that cause a person to become gay. That is purely urban myth. And to think that you can "change" a gay to person is also wrong they will always have those impulses and they will forever feel alienated because they couldn't change to what you believe is a good person.

[Chromer]

1. Wow. Information we already know.

2. Not a one year, nor a two year, this is a THREE YEAR BUMP.

Lock please.