TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

[j-rodd123]

there's so many weird things though like I could see TPS/jayde pairing, V/jayde pairing, but really can't see a V/TPS pairing.

[j-rodd123]

both of those pairings contain jayde, does that mean he's a better lynch? jayde spill ur thoughts, I thought ur posts so far seemed human, but as others have pointed the hard pushes and seeming end goals seem wolfy

[j-rodd123]

ok leaving the thread for 30 mins and leaving my vote on V,

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by Svaz

Mostly what gets me about TPS is stuff like this. With every blue role either dead or vocal at this point, how can he still operate this way? Sure, I mean, there is a slight possibility there are some super scared blues hiding and j-rodd/dAnce are the most skillful wolf team ever, but that's way too crazy to be accurate.

I do suppose that's fairly minor and it's not unreasonable to take each claim with a measured amount of suspicion but... c'mon. With cardflips and everything? There's just no way.

The logic is sound. You can't say that Dance is 100% blue right now, even if I do believe he is one.

Manticore was on the chopping block. Danceguy made this post:

Originally Posted by dayguydatdances

ok 8 hours left

veto. I hate a manti lynch here. hate hate hate it. Manti is off the table this phase. if he's a wolf then we'll pick off one of the other two wolves. no manti lynch.

If a widely accepted blue makes this post, and Manti is a wolf, why wasn't there a followup on it from his wolf brethren? If I were a wolf, it would be the perfect opportunity to grab that post and run with it, and direct the thread in another direction. Instead, it just stayed pretty static until I ironically voted CrayJay and shifted the momentum that way. Perhaps there is a wolf in that ensuing voting train, but that hinges on Manti's cardflip.

I would really like to see jayde lynched before manti, for the reasons stated above.

If you feel my reasoning is weak, tough. I feel good about it and i'm willing to put my life in jeopardy to see it through. I won't be changing my vote.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

there's so many weird things though like I could see TPS/jayde pairing, V/jayde pairing, but really can't see a V/TPS pairing.

agreed that V/TPS seems less likely but I think it's possible. d2, V first pushes for TPS lynch, if TPS dies and flips red then V gets all the credit. d4 V says Manti and TPS are definite wolves but seems like he was barely willing to lynch TPS first.

[dAnceguy117]

this doesn't mean anything in absolute terms but I think it should be noted.

fairly apathetic about being lynched: Manti, TPS
fairly defensive: V, jayde

not sayin', just sayin'.

[dAnceguy117]

Crazyjayde

vote tally in a sec

[Charu]

Okay, I got to close soon at work and won't be at the clutch.

Very hesitant to vote right now because of all the possibilities being flung in all directions.

[James May]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

do you think it's likelier theres a wolf in tps/jayde than in V/jayde or V/TPS?

Quite possibly...

unvote on Manti for now...I am doubting now about Manti.

How many votes does TPS has now? 4 right?

[Crazyjayde]

God what did I tell you guys about claims exploding late game on me?

What I have concluded late phase yesterday because of this is that the wolves will probably either let me live long enough and try to divert attention so that my arguments do not influence anything, letting the crowd go down in numbers so the lynch is easier to perform

I believe this applies here. During the last phases we saw TPS and Manti both push tenderly for me, with me including some others asking them to elaborate on their pushes. (#704 #782 #1049). I still have no answer for TPS latest vote and this really gets my attention because I don't get why he seemed to approve of Manti's posting. Probably saying "well I'm inactive too, like Manti said", but that's a really bad play coming from him. Would deliberately being lazy be something worth going for as a wolf? Maybe since we wouldn't expect it.

Don't forget look at Manti's following two posts from page 36, which basically gives more context to why I find this really weird. Manti expressing the urge to kill somebody else late end when we all know it doesn't add anything to the lynch? I'm sure he knew too, so why?

And so the following phases, Manti's suspicions seems to have disappeared, while TPS still tries to make my name relevant. And then suddenly mid-day, after beating around the bush, he finally considers seriously pushing for me? Dude look at the whole picture and don't tell me this doesn't seem calculated.

You know what? I've already expressed that I have nothing to lose, and I feel my flip could be the last piece of puzzle for you guys, but seeing as having another mislynch also means that we'll be losing some valuable team components during the night doesn't exactly raise my hopes for tomorrow, nor does it for everyone.

So when it comes down to the actual vote (#54 #55), I find it really out of place people have been reacting positively so much, considering the guy didn't even read the whole thread. And dude, you agree on TPS's read? What read? This one?:

Originally Posted by TPS222

I did mean to say crazyjade instead of charu in that earlier post you called me out on. I voted them because of the post from which I quoted. I don't know CrayJay that well but it read as a signature wolf play, dancing around topics with a lot of words and not much meaning. Some posts were outright nonsense (as pointed out by V).

Because that's the only justification for his vote so far. Perhaps did you think he was doing more than he actually is?

And the evidences you gather are merely isolated parts of my behaviour, being put on a desired subjective perspective. This is O.K., but is it sufficient for a Manti push? No. I do not understand how your analysis have failed to highlight some key elements that I have put out there for wolves to take the opportunity. Elements that V cited, but you seem to ignore.

And thus, this brings us to the second post, which basically evidences the objective of this lynch. What you are trying to do is denouncing two players at once. Being that we're two mislynch from the end, I feel this is absolutely NOT a productive way of thinking. Earlier, we told ourselves that if we were to lynch Manti, we would try and divert attention from the obvious relations we could make and consider the rest of the crowd, for those same exact reason. Doing this, you are condemning both my flips. Which means that whether I am red or green, the outcome of the game will be the same.

I would be lynching Manti, but I see the link between him and TPS as being to strong to be wrong.

[dAnceguy117]

someone tell me if this is right please

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DarkMantiCoreX2 - (2) - James May, Charu, Vendetta, mellonxcollie
TPS222 - (3) - jrodd, Crazyjayde, Svaz, V
Crazyjayde - (4) - TPS222, DarkMantiCoreX2, mellonxcollie, danceguy
Charu - (0) - danceguy
James May - (0) - Crazyjayde
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[Crazyjayde]

Wait what? Does this mean I am like, one vote from insta? WTF guys. Please read my post before lynch.

[dAnceguy117]

instalynch is at 6 votes.

[Crazyjayde]

Ok then. *hype*

[dAnceguy117]

jrodd we gotta pick between TPS and jayde. 30 minutes.

[Charu]

I still think this is all a ploy to get to Crazyjayde, but what do I know.

My mind is saying TPS over Crazy very loudly.

[dAnceguy117]

starting to lean more toward TPS based on meta (meat), when on the chopping block it seems like he's been more hyper as town and composed as wolf

[Charu]

I got less than one minute, should I switch to TPS now?

[dAnceguy117]

nvm back at 50/50

[Charu]

Fricken doubts all over the place, jeesus.