TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Other people were though

so what was the motivation for that post? i feel like that "really important" post was just a soft attempt to throw scum on a player who looks very good this game.

I think that is a decent reason to clear dbp, actually. it's just not the only thing, which is why I am so confident he is town.

[Vendetta21]

as a reason for me to reexamine my read and example of people clearing dbp incorrectly?

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by Xiz

For fucks sake dlgn you really REALLY need to read what 1032 to 1046.

I'll say it again here though...



Because, oh, i dont know... he could be lying? It was early in D1, like come on man. Why does anyone soft? What are magnets? Has science gone too far?!?




You fucking doughnut. At that time I was tied at a kitb and everyone said they were fine with that. I kept saying "its actually not a good idea guys... this is bad... stop..."

Also, check the logs between me and tokzic (remember this was when i thought he was real) where i kept pinging him to help defend me otherwise id need to publicly claim. I wasn't going to risk getting kitb as a blue d1.

Let me ask you something now dlgn. Is that something you would do?

as far as I care you claimed wolf and laughed about getting a mislynch and will be dying today if I have anything to do about it.

[Vendetta21]

the literally first sentence says "there's a couple things that corroborate this" and you ignore the others

[Vendetta21]

whats our votecount

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

the literally first sentence says "there's a couple things that corroborate this" and you ignore the others

unhelpful for the narrative being constructed / sold, duh

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

i mean, my thoughts were a little more thourough than that slack conversation and then you went and quoted the post where they were more thorough without apparently reading it?

it clears DBP in the situation where xiz is a wolf, yes
but if toxzic is a wolf then it says nothing about dbp

[AragakiAyase]

I should have made that more clear

[Vendetta21]

yeah you should have because thats literally what i examined

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

At this point, yeah. There are two effects which corroborate this, one is my confidence on xiz (I wouldn't be pushing to kill one of the three claims without a lot of confidence) and knowing that in order for xiz to claim he had to be prepared to stay outside the AC Room last night, which means DBP being seered in the Dino room clears him.

I doubt tokzic would use the first seering if he were a wolf to give another wolf cover, as in this position if he were a wolf he needs to garner favor from additional humans, so if tokzic is a wolf i still think DBP is human because if tokzic is a wolf he needs support and seering a human and clearing them gives that support at this phase. So in multiple contingencies I see the seering as clearing DBP.

The only one where it doesn't is if botchi is a wolf. But still I feel extremely confident that xiz is a wolf.

read the second two paragraphs

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Also DBP seems to be frustrated off the cuff at xiz and focusing on it a lot, which corroborates the fact that he feels a humanness towards tokzic from being seered and cleared and explains his motivations to push xiz hard. Too many things casually lining up to spell out a fabrication, wolves never do anything this sophisticated as its too risky.

this one is important too

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

it clears DBP in the situation where xiz is a wolf, yes
but if toxzic is a wolf then it says nothing about dbp

yes so this is why I've taken some time to speak with him and you know, actually get a read, rather than relying on mechanics (as when I suggested a play to maximize information gain that way nobody took too kindly to it)

that read is town.

[Vendetta21]

its the next post i made 2 posts later

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I doubt tokzic would use the first seering if he were a wolf to give another wolf cover, as in this position if he were a wolf he needs to garner favor from additional humans, so if tokzic is a wolf i still think DBP is human because if tokzic is a wolf he needs support and seering a human and clearing them gives that support at this phase. So in multiple contingencies I see the seering as clearing DBP.

this is a valid point, but if dbp and toxzic are scum then "clearing a human" isn't actually clearing a human and we have no way to verify this. All we have is dbp's word confirming toxzic's hypothetical seering with no way of knowing if one or the other is withholding information

[Vendetta21]

please don't question and quote my logic for clearing DBP out-of-context without fully understanding it

[Vendetta21]

fucking feels like you didn't even care to read the goddamn post when you ignore the first fucking sentence

[Vendetta21]

yeah we aren't talking about my DBP logic anymore we are talking about how it appears you're pushing an agenda

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Also DBP seems to be frustrated off the cuff at xiz and focusing on it a lot, which corroborates the fact that he feels a humanness towards tokzic from being seered and cleared and explains his motivations to push xiz hard. Too many things casually lining up to spell out a fabrication, wolves never do anything this sophisticated as its too risky.

why is it too risky? If a player has the capability to perform analysis like this they could plausibly engineer this. If they screw something up it looks very forced and is a red flag but completely ruling it out idk. I didn't look at dbp as closely as you seem to have though

[Vendetta21]

roundbox wants to lynch tokzic and said so yesterday i would really like roundbox to come in and explain himself there

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

fucking feels like you didn't even care to read the goddamn post when you ignore the first fucking sentence

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

yeah we aren't talking about my DBP logic anymore we are talking about how it appears you're pushing an agenda

I skimmed over the first part of your post too fast because I was remembering the middle part sticking out to me. I'm not pushing an agenda, I'm exploring all possibilities and I'll bring this up again if it is still relevant after the necessary flips