TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[Red Blaster]

Dohoho

[roundbox]

I really want to play Fallout 4 right now

I was thinking about rzr on my commute back home, mostly sprung by a post which seemed odd to me. The post in question is here. Everything's looking fine until I see the quote from me about returning for EoD having zero comment. I thought it was weird to include that, but upon further pondering, I realized that this post and plenty of rzr's other longer posts (save a few, like the ones where he re-entered the thread after absence) seem to be just a result of hitting that sweet multiquote button on posts from top to bottom. This is really making rzr's recent presence feel like a lot of white noise, unfortunately.

Take a look at this post here. The questions seem all over the place. It doesn't really feel like he's building a case or anything against one specific player (he goes a little bit into AA here, but nothing I'd consider substantial). It seems to be just asking questions for the sake of asking questions. Something just seems unfulfilling about this style. He's asking plenty of questions at the end they feel weak or leading (many are especially leading). He's just stacking and stacking information and questions, but to what end? Are you building a Tower of Babel here out of information? I'm just having a hard time seeing things from your perspective.

As for alignment, I feel like this is dropping you into null territory for me. There are some good things that come out of your questioning, but the ratio of quality:quantity is all over the place, leading me to render some of your content as white noise/talking for the sake of talking.

As for my lynch candidates today, I feel comfortable taking heat off of Xel for now and taking a look at some other folk.

[rzr]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'm not liking how rzr seems to be dipping his hands in my lynch. it feels like he's setting himself up to be able to quickly flip on someone when it most suits him

Actually, AA, I responded to the fact that choof had pointed out some decent thoughts about his case on you. If I was coming after you I would be much more direct. Also, I didn't think you were much of a candidate today so that is what it is ay

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Zenith, on top of offering some specific scummy lines like the "you can peek me but it's a waste of time" comment, isn't taking as much of a leadership role this time around. When he's town he tends to try to take command and make plays that are in what he thinks is town's best interests. If somebody sees something differently or things aren't going the way he wants them to he stands up and tries to change that...however, even though he's parked his vote on YMIA and is 95% certain or whatever the figure was that he's a wolf I don't see him trying to convince people with dissenting opinions otherwise. Other than his megapost that he said he'll prepare when he's done work, he's just kinda announcing his certainty on YMIA to the thread and leaving it at that.

I did notice that zenith hasn't posted much in the last 36 hours. Yes, he has work but it is different from his normal play

Originally Posted by rzr

Okay, so I guess we're all back to square one then. My vote for Xel stands, I'll post what I have to say about ymia and AA in a few, I'm trying to AAA this tourney song atm

why are we back to square one? do you let people's opinions influence your own that strongly? It seems like you're a leaf swaying in the wind except you get to pick where you fall so you look best

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by choof

I have zero reaction to this post

What did you want? A power role claimed d0? Even if i were to be im not going to claim that d0 and get myself lined up to be killed in the night and waste whatever my power was.

I am a vanilla townie, look at what i have, 9r for that matter, have not done. i have nothing to work with, and all of my reads have been purely guesses and conjecture.

[thesunfan]

Votecount:
Zenith (2)- ymia, Plop
red blaster (1)- Yoshl
XelNya (1)- rzr
YMIA (5)- Zenith, AA, V, DBP, choof
plop (1)- Charu
Unvote (1)- round

[thesunfan]

The time in the top left of each post is an hour off from actual server time. Idk why this happened, but it wasn't there when I determined the length of the phase. There are slightly under two hours left in this phase, as clarification.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by roundbox

As for my lynch candidates today, I feel comfortable taking heat off of Xel for now and taking a look at some other folk.

you should lynch the ic

"illuminati confirmed"

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

Actually, AA, I responded to the fact that choof had pointed out some decent thoughts about his case on you. If I was coming after you I would be much more direct. Also, I didn't think you were much of a candidate today so that is what it is ay

What I don't like is that whenever someone says something new you say something along the lines of "yeah, I could see that happening, let's look into that later". It's like you're kind of agreeing with everyone to appease them but at the same time hedging your language so you can double back later if needed.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

What did you want? A power role claimed d0? Even if i were to be im not going to claim that d0 and get myself lined up to be killed in the night and waste whatever my power was.

I am a vanilla townie, look at what i have, 9r for that matter, have not done. i have nothing to work with, and all of my reads have been purely guesses and conjecture.

hmmm

I'm now second guessing myself a little but my next candidate would probably be yoshl which doesn't seem to be happening

if your reads were all guesses and conjecture why didn't you at least preface them with that? you made it seem like you were very confident in your reads, but given the weak reasoning it made you look pretty bad

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

I feel similarly to this too, but it seems more to me like he's asking whatever pops into his mind without considering the implications or the importance of the answers rather than BSing everything. Asking questions for the sake of questions sticks out pretty hard if the questions aren't followed up or the answers don't lead anywhere. Has rzr been following up on earlier points and questions?

It'll take me a second to sift through. I know he's answered my follow-ups to some of his questions, but I'm not entirely certain on how this interaction is with all of the other players. I would like to see something more detailed in his reads list and highlight responses from players that give them that alignment. Trying to sort through MEGAPOSTS is hard since the follow-ups to questions are included with his observations of thread-going-ons.

[choof]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

What did you want? A power role claimed d0? Even if i were to be im not going to claim that d0 and get myself lined up to be killed in the night and waste whatever my power was.

there is an innocent child in the game

[Red Blaster]

I like the part where Zenith promised some super damning "mega post" and was never seen again~

But honestly if Zenith's a wolf, just give him a phase or two and it'll all start to implode and become painfully obvious.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If you want to tell me that my post calling a team of you/AA/Yoshl as weak and no confidence, youre just flat out wrong. I specifically said that i want people voting for who they want lynched now, of top candidates, not someone who isnt worth hunting this phase. I wouldnt make a vote/scumread post that says that while having no cinfidence in my own vote. I think youre scummy, and with that confidence, i know that even if you werent, your toxic/bad input wont detract from the game further.

this is one of the posts I was thinking of that conflicts with him saying his reads were pure guesswork and conjecture

[Charu]

let me just post that ymia actually does a good job as wolf from my understanding

ymia has a hard time portraying human for whatever reason

that's ymia's meta for all who were wondering

[AragakiAyase]

unvote

[AragakiAyase]

I'm lost now cool

[choof]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

AA's one of my towniest reads, lmao.

And I assume you're saying the YMIA = scum, V = incriminated point because V loves to bus, right? If YMIA flipped scum how would it change your read on zenith? Both have tunneled on YMIA, but do you think zenith is less likely to bus/argue with a teammate than V?

if ymia flips scum, I will use the majority of the night to look at interactions between zenith and yoshl, and zenith and ymia, to see what differences there are

like you and I said, zenith likes to make plays that are ballsy and that could end up to be fatal if gone wrong. I think zenith would bus a teammate if he could get away with it.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Charu

let me just post that ymia actually does a good job as wolf from my understanding

ymia has a hard time portraying human for whatever reason

that's ymia's meta for all who were wondering

people have said that he's rusty
but I will admit that he had a really hard time during manti's mystery game seeming vt; I would have pushed for him there had yoshl not been an idiot

I would like an explicit statement from you; do you think ymia is town or wolf

[DaBackpack]

there's a lot of things happening and I'm getting kind of confused unraveling it all, I think we should focus on a few targets

[Charu]

Originally Posted by choof

people have said that he's rusty
but I will admit that he had a really hard time during manti's mystery game seeming vt; I would have pushed for him there had yoshl not been an idiot

I would like an explicit statement from you; do you think ymia is town or wolf

buddy i havent read deeply into this game

everyone's null, except for the illuminati dude.