CXLVIII - TWG to the Turnabout (GAME THREAD)

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Votes from post 911 to post 1020
Night in 5:38:36
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- psychoangel691 -- Red Blaster (13), YoshL (24)
• 1 -- rzr -- Xiz (20)
• 7 -- not voting -- botchi246 (3), Charu (8), choof (15), psychoangel691 (2), reuben_tate (0), rzr (16), storn42 (8)

[rzr]

I have minor reasons to suspect psycho, mostly from T Force, so I get the feeling wolves are between xiz/Yosh/red like I had said, or the more wide spectrum of those who have not voted, aside from myself and choof

though that claim pisses me off - I'm glad there is no counter claim so it's more helpful to trust choof, but I just don't find it as believable as the last few games. I am putting him in my town pile for today tbf

[Red Blaster]

Didn't V make a post about how Storn was town?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

broken record stuff blah blah blah

though that claim pisses me off - I'm glad there is no counter claim so it's more helpful to trust choof, but I just don't find it as believable as the last few games. I am putting him in my town pile for today tbf

Please help me to explain why a blue claim pisses you off?

[rzr]

No, Red, sorry. I'm not humoring you so you can twist my words. I made my point clear. Or if you absolutely intend on pushing me then call it my paranoia. But I'm not elaborating, you're clearly trying very hard to tunnel me and you've completely ignored any substantial posts I've made.

[rzr]

Like really? You're acting like MML did last game - not providing any substance on your reads besides that flimsy BS I've already responded to, and you're completely unwilling to alter or challenge your POV. What is aggravating me is I never suspected you in this game, and you're forcing yourself to be the only thing in my line of view, I've spent more time defending from the same thing over and over than actually being able to produce reads, analyze you or anyone else, or even look at the roster without coming back to you. Sadly, that's what you are doing to me.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

It's probably rzr

Like here, this is your first post coming into the day.
Wanna bait me? Go for it, I hope you get what you're looking for.
Wanna pressure me? Go for it, I hope you get the reaction you're looking for

I don't see this as either, all you're doing is focusing on me and in that allowing 8 other people to go unattended. If you get me lynched who are you gonna look at after my flip? You're so immersed in this "read" you think you have on me Red, I don't distinguish you as a "tunnel selectively" person, you're much more "attack everyone," so not exploring any world besides one where I am scum for the last 72 hours is actually concerning

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by rzr

though that claim pisses me off - I'm glad there is no counter claim so it's more helpful to trust choof, but I just don't find it as believable as the last few games. I am putting him in my town pile for today tbf

I think this might be a Freudian slip.

"That claim pisses me off"

Like if he was fake, all the real one had to do was claim and we lynch both and GG. I'm wondering if it actually pisses you off because it prevents you from making plays. Like there is no reason why he shouldn't be auto-cleared unless YOU are the real one, and if so you are playing wrong.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Didn't V make a post about how Storn was town?

I just read through V's posts and it seemed like he kinda would flip flop around on storn.

Don't think we need to worry about Reuben unless V was bussing a partner super hard.

I'm still getting through everything so I don't really have solid thoughts yet, and haven't seen everything everyone has brought up yet. Going through the known wolve's posts first then sunfan.

[rzr]

apparently my paranoia, which to AA was a town tell of mine, is now to me detriment

I'll humor you, Xiz: Do you completely trust choof? I think it's unlikely he rolled PR again, but regardless of statistics I think the claim seemed choppy compared to the last few.

- Anybody who hasn't checked in yet can hold that counter claim, one reason I'm reserved
- Think about it!!! There's a possibility of 2 PR's in that list, we know Sunfan was one. Claiming any one of those PR's is risky given the false claimer is the last wolf. If choof claimed as vanilla wolf and got away with it because someone was inactive/reluctant he would have a clear coast through. Is it probable? No. Is it possible? Yes.

Hope that makes sense #tinfoil jesus

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

Like really? You're acting like MML did last game - not providing any substance on your reads besides that flimsy BS I've already responded to, and you're completely unwilling to alter or challenge your POV. What is aggravating me is I never suspected you in this game, and you're forcing yourself to be the only thing in my line of view, I've spent more time defending from the same thing over and over than actually being able to produce reads, analyze you or anyone else, or even look at the roster without coming back to you. Sadly, that's what you are doing to me.

Like here, this is your first post coming into the day.
Wanna bait me? Go for it, I hope you get what you're looking for.
Wanna pressure me? Go for it, I hope you get the reaction you're looking for

I don't see this as either, all you're doing is focusing on me and in that allowing 8 other people to go unattended. If you get me lynched who are you gonna look at after my flip? You're so immersed in this "read" you think you have on me Red, I don't distinguish you as a "tunnel selectively" person, you're much more "attack everyone," so not exploring any world besides one where I am scum for the last 72 hours is actually concerning

You freaking out over 1 vote is much more concerning, you're usually pretty cool under pressure so to see this is actually very odd. I get not wanting to be mislynched (I was most mislynched 2014 so trust me I know that feel) but this isn't the best way for you to go about not getting yourself lynched..

Actually your play this entire game has really been off man..from your really odd 'I'm unsure of how to enter the game' entrance post, to your weird unvote of ben and probably your vote on him in the first place if I'm honest because as I remember you voted him before he even really posted..? and now you're just losing it which as I said above doesn't really fit with the rzr I've played with in previous games.

[choof]

Originally Posted by rzr

though that claim pisses me off - I'm glad there is no counter claim so it's more helpful to trust choof, but I just don't find it as believable as the last few games. I am putting him in my town pile for today tbf

the claim pisses me off too
I should not have made the claim, otherwise I would have still be able to use my power

[Red Blaster]

[rzr]

Red you're trying so hard for some reason.

How am I any different? This is me for Christ's sake. Every single game.
When have you known me to be calm and cool? When do I react well under pressure?
I'm pretty sure I'm self admitted impulsive and angry a lot.
How am I supposed to now how to make an entrance to a bunch of meme's and "order! order in the courtroom" posts when I've never known a damn shred of anything about Phoenix Wright?

And I'm not flustered or mad because of your 1 vote, I'm mad because defending myself this much is taking away from my time to actually post anything substantial!! You're not hearing me out, you've tunneled and become unresponsive to new information.

[psychoangel691]

eh not too much to get from DAP's posts imo. Does semi look like both V and DAP might have been trying to distance from yoshl a bit without putting too much heat on, but that's just a quick thought right now till I read yoshl's posts.

With DAP's vote on Red Blaster, feel it's pretty unlikely he's the last wolf.

I have to take care of dinner so I'll be back in a bit.

[rzr]

It's disappointing that you think you know my meta based on d1 accusatins

Remember when I said mad and sarcastically: you guys will never learn how to read me
and Zenith said" yeah we will

well no, you guys aren't.

[choof]

Originally Posted by rzr

- Think about it!!! There's a possibility of 2 PR's in that list, we know Sunfan was one. Claiming any one of those PR's is risky given the false claimer is the last wolf. If choof claimed as vanilla wolf and got away with it because someone was inactive/reluctant he would have a clear coast through. Is it probable? No. Is it possible? Yes.

Hope that makes sense #tinfoil jesus

there is absolutely zero reason to be looking at me, now it just looks like you're grasping at straws and trying really hard to self-pres

paranoia is a really weird thing to read. I don't think it's ever a town tell, especially when it's coming from a player with experience. if anything, irrational paranoia, like freaking out after having one vote, trying to throw shade on a pr that hasn't been countered yet

let me tell you why I am clear

it is confirmed in the setup that there are three wolves. the two that are dead were prs, which confirms that the remaining wolf is a vanilla. why would a vanilla wolf ever claim in this situation, all it takes is a counter-claim from the actual pr to win the game for town

a wolf claiming here would effectively be the same as conceding

[choof]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

eh not too much to get from DAP's posts imo. Does semi look like both V and DAP might have been trying to distance from yoshl a bit without putting too much heat on, but that's just a quick thought right now till I read yoshl's posts.

With DAP's vote on Red Blaster, feel it's pretty unlikely he's the last wolf.

I have to take care of dinner so I'll be back in a bit.

sunfan being killed, imo, soft-clears yoshl as town

[rzr]

@choof I'm just explaining where my paranoia is coming from, I'm not saying I personally don't trust you
I just don't outrule any possibilities. I outlined the possibilities as I know they exist, but why is it so hard to understand reserving a healthy thought train of possibilities? I never even said I was looking at you

[choof]

Originally Posted by botchi246

I vote for the last wolf to concede. Your doom is imminent

bat to the balls

[choof]

Originally Posted by rzr

@choof I'm just explaining where my paranoia is coming from, I'm not saying I personally don't trust you
I just don't outrule any possibilities. I outlined the possibilities as I know they exist, but why is it so hard to understand reserving a healthy thought train of possibilities? I never even said I was looking at you

I know you never said you were looking at me
but
I don't even know why you would make a post like that
your paranoia is coming from a spooked wolf imo
I know you don't want to rule out any possibilities, but when you start coming up with "possibilities" that aren't actually possible, then that kinda makes you look bad