Homosexual Marriages - Page 5

DracIV · 05-30-2004, 04:50 PM

Keeping down? lol. It isn't even a tax break, really, it just lets them do their taxes as if they were one person. Why would anyone care enough about something so minor to make it a major country issue? It's not like it has much of an effect at all. And it isn't religion that would "condemn" them, it would be the general cultural opinion of this country. Oh yeah, and no one said the country was equal. Humans are equal, countries ain't.

RajginKisaragi · 06-1-2004, 03:35 PM

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Keeping down? lol. It isn't even a tax break, really, it just lets them do their taxes as if they were one person.

Stop talking. It's making you look stupid.

DracIV · 06-1-2004, 05:03 PM

Well, you've got some mighty fine comments yourself. Great contribution, aye. A few hundred double posts here and there. One or two thousand short, pointless posts to say something like "ditto" or make a personal comment. You've done some mighty fine things there, sir.

Anyway, I guess on the original topic that I can't find anything very swaying from anyone as to why to vote yes or why to vote no. The tax break ain't much, it may be a minority of the affected who care, and there isn't really a solid reason why they want it in the first place. Can anyone provide one or two solid reasons for either side? (everything before this has been "It's their right!" and "No it isn't." or "So?")

RajginKisaragi · 06-4-2004, 09:05 AM

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Well, you've got some mighty fine comments yourself. Great contribution, aye. A few hundred double posts here and there. One or two thousand short, pointless posts to say something like "ditto" or make a personal comment. You've done some mighty fine things there, sir.

I'm sorry for agreeing with people. I'm also sorry that my comments make more sence then yours also.

RajginKisaragi · 06-4-2004, 09:14 AM

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I might as well just list the reasons:

1) Marriage is a long-lasting tradition to cement the love between a man and wife

Not true. Look at celebrity marriages.

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2) In many cultures (remember America is a mixed pot), children are only allowed in marriage.

This is true. And allowed.

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3) Marriage helps to create a more stable environment for a child to be raised balanced.

HA! That's a joke! Then how come they like to get drunk and beat their kids?

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4) There are really no reasons for the government to give #$* marriages a tax break except for greed.

Greed for who? The gay guys? FYI, whenever people get married, they loose money because they combine incomes into one. So it's the government that's greedy. And since that's the case, why doesn't the government let them marry?

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5) When marriage was required before children,

Stop dwelling on the past.

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but it is just a tradition and there was no reason to remove it.

Yes, but times change and so do people. Therefore, laws change with the people. That's happened for years.

DracIV · 06-4-2004, 09:18 AM

*cough* Double post again *cough*

Anyway, why should we change? There was never anything wrong with marriage, so why is someone trying to fix it? I have seen no strong reason for why we should change, but there are no strong reasons not to change except the absence of reason to change. Can you supply a good strong reason for why we should change except "We wanna have it."

mizelle59 · 06-4-2004, 05:24 PM

Why are you shrugging it off as some stupid tax break? If it's really so inconsequential, then why can't we just give it to them?

DracIV · 06-4-2004, 06:01 PM

Because why should we give it to them? I keep asking for a solid reason. There aren't really any reasons why not to, but there aren't any reasons to do it besides "We wanna have it".

**Moogy** · 06-4-2004, 10:59 PM

Of course, the United States of America happens to be a democracy.

DracIV · 06-5-2004, 06:19 AM

And in a democracy the *majority* wins. If there are more gay people than straight, we're screwed population-wise in the future.

Chrissi · 06-5-2004, 09:55 AM

Not really. Ever heard of sperm donation?

Playingplayer · 06-28-2004, 06:16 AM

Alright, here's your reason. The reason homosexual marriges should be allowed is because not allowing otherwise is discrimination, plain and simple. By forcing gay couples to have civil unions, you are seperating them from the rest of society, a mindless labeling that alienates them from other married couples.
If you quote tradition, I will point out that once slavery was accepted, society must evolve to be more moral and kinder to their fellow men and women. If you quote children, I will point out that many gay couples look to adopt children, and giving them a tax break will both encourage them to adopt and help provide with the child's upbringing, furthermore, if we are to assign tax breaks based on having children, should we not withhold these from married childless hetrosexual couples, simply because they don't have kids?
In the end, it's about equality, you can not justify discrimination based on the grounds of tradition, which has no logic or reasons to back it up. Homosexual people are just as intelligent and worthwhile as hetrosexual people, and you have no right to deny them equal rights simply because two gay men holding hands in public "offends your sensibilities".

DracIV · 06-28-2004, 08:49 AM

Ah, finally a good reason. Once last comment and I am done: The tax breaks for having children *are* withheld from hetero couples until they have kids. Married couples don't get a tax break until they have kids- before that it is simply a merging of their tax form.

Jam930 · 06-28-2004, 07:16 PM

I think gay marriages are wrong.

jewpinthethird · 06-28-2004, 07:22 PM

Well, I think interracial marriages are wrong.

How is that any different from what you said JamJam?

Playingplayer · 06-28-2004, 07:27 PM

If you're going to make a solid statement like that, at least support it with reasons, whatever they may be. Otherwise how will you convince the readers that your argument is superior to your opponents?

DracIV · 06-28-2004, 08:24 PM

Jewpin, skin color isn't a genetic flaw from a natural standpoint, while being gay is, and skin color doesn't affect ability to reproduce or have any true effect at all. Orientation does have an effect.

jewpinthethird · 06-28-2004, 09:30 PM

Well, excuse me, I didnt know that homosexuals lacked reproductive organs.

JamJam said it was wrong for homos to get married. Well, many people thought it was wrong for whites and blacks to get married 40 years ago.

Homosexuals will be granted the rights to get married, and they will eventually be recognized by the Government. It just a matter of when.

[end transmission]

Chrissi · 06-29-2004, 12:44 AM

I hope jewpin is right.

See the thing is, I hope most people will agree that laws are made to keep society a happy place to be. No murdering because it kills people. No drunk driving because it hurts/kills people. No stealing because people lose their money that way.

Got me? Okay. Now, does it hurt anybody when gay people get married? No. If you say it hurts someone, you're lying. Bob and Fred want to get married. Wilma and Barbara want to get married. Who are YOU or I to say th at they can't? In each case, they are both consenting. They are both adults. They both love the other person. If Bob and Fred get married, they aren't telling YOU not to get married. They're not taking your money or hurting you, and they're not doing anything bad.

Even if you are religious and they are doing bad things in God's eyes, THEY AREN'T GOING TO STOP BEING GAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET MARRIED. Is it like, "Oh we can't get married so I don't love you any more, I can't be gay, I guess I'll go find a girlfriend," NO! You can't tell them they can't sleep in the same bed or live in the same house, so why can you tell them not to get married?

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Jewpin, skin color isn't a genetic flaw from a natural standpoint, while being #$* is, and skin color doesn't affect ability to reproduce or have any true effect at all. Orientation does have an effect.

I think there were gay cavemen. It's only natural. Humans are interested in sex of all types. "Hmmm he has something like me down there! I want to see what his is like"...

Haven't you ever seen a female dog hump another female dog?

Animals can be gay. It's gotta be a "natural" thing. Monkeys will play with same-sex monkeys, too. You can't tell as much because they can't really get to the sex, but they play with each other.

Gay feelings are NATURAL and if any person here thinks they have never had them, I gotta disagree. You have to be lying if you say you have NEVER been curious about the same sex. I will never accept that anybody has NEVER considered it or thought about it.

So basically it's not a "genetic flaw". The people are still physically capable of reproducing. They just choose not to.

It's similar to the way I'm getting married to a guy, but I am choosing not to have children. I have the capability, but I choose not to. Besides, if gay people want children they can adopt and stuff.

But this thread isn't about how natural it is. It's about gay marriages, so don't start talking about genetic flaws and defects.

Jam930 · 06-29-2004, 01:45 AM

No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married.

I don't think homoeroticism is acceptable behavior in public. Sickening.

Who cares if monkeys touch other monkeys and crap like that. We are humans being and we know better... most of us anyways.

Marriage is a man and woman. Homos can create their own marriage type thing, they don't need the government's approval to be homo.

06-4-2004, 05:24 PM	#87
mizelle59 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 38 Posts: 18	Why are you shrugging it off as some stupid tax break? If it's really so inconsequential, then why can't we just give it to them? __________________

06-4-2004, 10:59 PM	#89
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 36 Posts: 10,303	Of course, the United States of America happens to be a democracy. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

06-5-2004, 09:55 AM	#91
Chrissi FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Game Age: 39 Posts: 3,019	Not really. Ever heard of sperm donation? __________________ C is for Charisma, it's why people think I'm great! I make my friends all laugh and smile and never want to hate!

06-28-2004, 06:16 AM	#92
Playingplayer FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth, Clearly Posts: 6	Alright, here's your reason. The reason homosexual marriges should be allowed is because not allowing otherwise is discrimination, plain and simple. By forcing gay couples to have civil unions, you are seperating them from the rest of society, a mindless labeling that alienates them from other married couples. If you quote tradition, I will point out that once slavery was accepted, society must evolve to be more moral and kinder to their fellow men and women. If you quote children, I will point out that many gay couples look to adopt children, and giving them a tax break will both encourage them to adopt and help provide with the child's upbringing, furthermore, if we are to assign tax breaks based on having children, should we not withhold these from married childless hetrosexual couples, simply because they don't have kids? In the end, it's about equality, you can not justify discrimination based on the grounds of tradition, which has no logic or reasons to back it up. Homosexual people are just as intelligent and worthwhile as hetrosexual people, and you have no right to deny them equal rights simply because two gay men holding hands in public "offends your sensibilities". __________________ Even if I am alone I will fight. If you wish to speak to me about something, preferably controversial, contact me on AIM at YoungLordJason.

06-28-2004, 07:16 PM	#94
Jam930 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,069	I think gay marriages are wrong. __________________ -Jamie

05-30-2004, 04:50 PM	#81
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Keeping down? lol. It isn't even a tax break, really, it just lets them do their taxes as if they were one person. Why would anyone care enough about something so minor to make it a major country issue? It's not like it has much of an effect at all. And it isn't religion that would "condemn" them, it would be the general cultural opinion of this country. Oh yeah, and no one said the country was equal. Humans are equal, countries ain't.

06-1-2004, 05:03 PM	#83
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Well, you've got some mighty fine comments yourself. Great contribution, aye. A few hundred double posts here and there. One or two thousand short, pointless posts to say something like "ditto" or make a personal comment. You've done some mighty fine things there, sir. Anyway, I guess on the original topic that I can't find anything very swaying from anyone as to why to vote yes or why to vote no. The tax break ain't much, it may be a minority of the affected who care, and there isn't really a solid reason why they want it in the first place. Can anyone provide one or two solid reasons for either side? (everything before this has been "It's their right!" and "No it isn't." or "So?")

06-4-2004, 09:18 AM	#86
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	cough Double post again cough Anyway, why should we change? There was never anything wrong with marriage, so why is someone trying to fix it? I have seen no strong reason for why we should change, but there are no strong reasons not to change except the absence of reason to change. Can you supply a good strong reason for why we should change except "We wanna have it."

06-4-2004, 06:01 PM	#88
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Because why should we give it to them? I keep asking for a solid reason. There aren't really any reasons why not to, but there aren't any reasons to do it besides "We wanna have it".

06-5-2004, 06:19 AM	#90
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	And in a democracy the majority wins. If there are more gay people than straight, we're screwed population-wise in the future.

06-28-2004, 08:49 AM	#93
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Ah, finally a good reason. Once last comment and I am done: The tax breaks for having children are withheld from hetero couples until they have kids. Married couples don't get a tax break until they have kids- before that it is simply a merging of their tax form.

06-28-2004, 07:22 PM	#95
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	Well, I think interracial marriages are wrong. How is that any different from what you said JamJam?

06-28-2004, 07:27 PM	#96
Playingplayer FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth, Clearly Posts: 6	If you're going to make a solid statement like that, at least support it with reasons, whatever they may be. Otherwise how will you convince the readers that your argument is superior to your opponents? __________________ Even if I am alone I will fight. If you wish to speak to me about something, preferably controversial, contact me on AIM at YoungLordJason.

06-28-2004, 08:24 PM	#97
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Jewpin, skin color isn't a genetic flaw from a natural standpoint, while being gay is, and skin color doesn't affect ability to reproduce or have any true effect at all. Orientation does have an effect.

06-28-2004, 09:30 PM	#98
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	Well, excuse me, I didnt know that homosexuals lacked reproductive organs. JamJam said it was wrong for homos to get married. Well, many people thought it was wrong for whites and blacks to get married 40 years ago. Homosexuals will be granted the rights to get married, and they will eventually be recognized by the Government. It just a matter of when. [end transmission]

06-29-2004, 01:45 AM	#100
Jam930 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,069	No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married. I don't think homoeroticism is acceptable behavior in public. Sickening. Who cares if monkeys touch other monkeys and crap like that. We are humans being and we know better... most of us anyways. Marriage is a man and woman. Homos can create their own marriage type thing, they don't need the government's approval to be homo. __________________ -Jamie

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