TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

[inDheart]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

there is a school of thought that believes host communication in the thread is fine, and i think that same school regards asking good questions as either alignment as fairly skill-testing, but

in general i like keeping host comms private, and
i get the sense that people here would not like that as an element of the game that they have to read

i don't really want to touch the angleshooting stuff but using it as a defense sounds like it should self kill you, if that's what happened

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

I assumed, since he made the post before he died, that it was a post made before he died and was therefore fine to refer to?

It's using information about what the host says or does in order to solve the game. Angleshooting would be me sitting down and theory crafting as to why Xiz killed Gradiant (Was it because he got the wrong info? But why did he die? Did Gradiant break the rules? Did Dev visit or did something else happen?). All of those questions are illegal and shouldn't be used to solve the game.
If I tried to angleshoot and deduce what happened, I only would have guessed he died because he received the wrong info in the night. However, this would have been wrong. Soundwave should have lived and Gradiant should have died. We wouldn't even have made the right conclusion even if we tried.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

there is a school of thought that believes host communication in the thread is fine, and i think that same school regards asking good questions as either alignment as fairly skill-testing, but

in general i like keeping host comms private, and
i get the sense that people here would not like that as an element of the game that they have to read

i don't really want to touch the angleshooting stuff but using it as a defense sounds like it should self kill you, if that's what happened

Town Haku is bullshitting lies about what lost wolves know and decide to private message the host to clarify if wolves know each others.
If the host accept to clarify things because Haku is town and really doesn't know; It means that Haku cannot be a wolf.
^
This should be modkillable tbh, but it shouldn't happen as well.

This tend to be more true than not because wolves don't usually pm the host to fake clarify things because it's not cool to play like that in general.
I don't think people want to get in postgame and go like; "wow, very nice fake clarification from the host, you really outplayed us, good job man".

Honestly Xiz had the right call, but added a little too much info imo. (It didn't really matter if I misinterpret how the wolf team works, but it's cool to edit role pm from dead players, announce it in the thread and make it consistent)

It's subtle stuff.

I'm still not sure what's the best course of action for Gradiant.

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

I'm still not sure what's the best course of action for Gradiant.

I'm not the issue here, I was supposed to die either way. The issue here is soundwave flipping, especially with the knowledge now of soundwave receiving a vest that also didn't work. That'd need a bit of clarification

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

I'm not the issue here, I was supposed to die either way. The issue here is soundwave flipping, especially with the knowledge now of soundwave receiving a vest that also didn't work. That'd need a bit of clarification

almost as legendary as Haku's "I've got six vests"

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

almost as legendary as Haku's "I've got six vests"

one of these two things is true

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

Ummmmm xiz, how exactly is the monokuma role supposed to lose....?

If they get shot in the night, they have a vest so that won't make them lose. If they get lynched, they win. This role seems basically un-loseable

Not to even mention the completely overpowered rule changing aspect of it

No offense to funnygurl, but I don't think that win should count. The role seems compromised to me

this game was not balanced and will not count for stats when the stats are completed

the # of anti-towns coupled with the # of people who could have had their win conditions changed to become anti-town is greater than the # of kills town had at their disposal

its a miracle this game went to f4

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

this game was not balanced and will not count for stats when the stats are completed

finish TWG stats.

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

this entire page is pretty solid reason why host interaction in thread is a bad idea

all this nerd talk about "morality" and "game ethics" and blah blah

host convo happening in private nips all this boring shit in the bud (420 blaze it)

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

You played great, Dev.
Very impressive

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

this game was not balanced and will not count for stats when the stats are completed

the # of anti-towns coupled with the # of people who could have had their win conditions changed to become anti-town is greater than the # of kills town had at their disposal

its a miracle this game went to f4

im still a winner in my heart

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

this game was not balanced and will not count for stats when the stats are completed

the # of anti-towns coupled with the # of people who could have had their win conditions changed to become anti-town is greater than the # of kills town had at their disposal

its a miracle this game went to f4

I know you've probably thought about this a lot but it would be a good idea to assemble a kind of form/sheet that each host has to fill out for the purposes of maintaining TWG history/stats sheets

the biggest problem I faced when trying to parse the TWG history thread is the lack of uniformity in the presentation of information. the results for each game were written by the hosts in their own format so there was no real standard, which made text parsing difficult. add on top of that lack of consistency of certain games (e.g. the Villains games where "green" was actually "wolf") and the task was just intractable computationally

Like in competitive sports the refs are usually asked to fill out a simple sheet with: Score tally, time remaining, winner, and these sheets are handed to the tourney manager so that maintenance of the tourney is easy and there's no real interpretive element.

just my unsolicited 2c

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

I know you've probably thought about this a lot but it would be a good idea to assemble a kind of form/sheet that each host has to fill out for the purposes of maintaining TWG history/stats sheets

the biggest problem I faced when trying to parse the TWG history thread is the lack of uniformity in the presentation of information. the results for each game were written by the hosts in their own format so there was no real standard, which made text parsing difficult. add on top of that lack of consistency of certain games (e.g. the Villains games where "green" was actually "wolf") and the task was just intractable computationally

Like in competitive sports the refs are usually asked to fill out a simple sheet with: Score tally, time remaining, winner, and these sheets are handed to the tourney manager so that maintenance of the tourney is easy and there's no real interpretive element.

just my unsolicited 2c

its just beyond fucked at this point
its going to be best just to get it overwith the long, hard way first before worrying about anything else

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

its just beyond fucked at this point
its going to be best just to get it overwith the long, hard way first before worrying about anything else

with past games you're fucked yeah, but you're at this juncture now where you have the opportunity to make things so much less shittier in the future

like, making a Google form or excel doc or something easy

lmk if/when you get to that point

[devonin]

Re: TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]

You played great, Dev.
Very impressive

Awwwww