TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[dudelogan14]

Hi all.
I can fc probably all the songs up to FMO, and sometimes get under 40/25 goods.
Will i be able to get to tier 4 this way by just fcing?

[i love you]

4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
5/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 2,100,000 or higher
4/5 - Evil Approaches - 3 or fewer
4/6 - Coat Czech - Single Digit Good
4/5 - Famouz - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Tribal Transcendency - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Robotix - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Mother Of God - 5 or fewer
3/5 - Carrousel Paradise - Single Digit Good
3/6 - Pretty Green Onions - 40 or fewer
3/4 - Seven - Single Digit Good
4/8 - Nova Pulser - 25[32] or fewer
2/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Video Out A - 12 or fewer
0/8 - Turkish March
3/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - 15 or fewer
2/9 - Caprice - 1,250,000 or more
3/7 - HELLBEAT - Full Combo
3/7 - Balloon Fever - 50 or fewer
3/4 - Carol Megamix - 5 or fewer
3/6 - Shihen - 40 or fewer
3/5 - Kick Your A - 12 or fewer
3/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - 5 or fewer
3/5 - Cutting Circles - 15 or fewer
1/9 - Molto Vivace - 950,000 or higher
3/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 25 or fewer
3/5 - Be Princess - 12 or fewer
1/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,400,000 or higher
3/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - 25 or fewer
3/4 - {Blaze} - 5 or fewer
2/6 - {Frozen} - 40 or fewer
0/7 - K8107
3/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - 12 or fewer
3/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Ruins - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Divinity - 15 or fewer
0/8 - Lawn Wake IV
0/7 - Vertex BETA
3/4 - Etude To A Dragon - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Hyper Pressure - 3 or fewer
3/5 - Dazzling Soul - 10 or fewer
3/5 - 20031023 - Single Digit Good
2/6 - R176 - Full Combo
0/7 - Rondo Alla Turca
3/5 - Wish (For FFR) - 12 or fewer
1/4 - Sensorium - 20 or fewer
2/6 - Legend - Full Combo
2/7 - Silence - Full Combo
2/4 - Uber Rave V2 - 20 or fewer
3/4 - Z - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Delirium - Single Digit Good
0/8 - Rottel-da-station
2/5 - Amefuri Koneko - 45 or fewer
1/5 - Klung Kung - Full Combo
1/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - Full Combo
1/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,130,000 or higher
2/4 - Deep Breath - Single Digit Good
3/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - 12 or fewer
0/8 - AIM Anthem
1/5 - Epic - Full Combo
0/9 - Pants
0/8 - Strangeprogram
0/9 - One Minute Waltz
0/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX)
2/4 - Fantranstic - 15 or fewer
2/6 - Uber Rave - 25 or fewer
1/5 - ASB - Full Combo
0/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3
2/4 - Playdoh - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - 20 or fewer
0/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5
1/6 - Air - Full Combo
0/7 - End Night
1/5 - Get Down - Full Combo
0/6 - Gradeus
0/8 - BB Evolution
0/7 - Jelly Roll Blues
0/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1
0/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix)
0/6 - Splash Beats
0/6 - Force Of Light
0/9 - Revolutionary Etude
0/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix)
0/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star
0/6 - Classical Insanity
0/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee
0/5 - {Rose}
0/7 - Turbulence
0/4 - MAX Forever
1/4 - CIA Rave - Full Combo
0/6 - Abtrusity
0/7 - For FFR
+9 bonus for 90 (approximate) AAAs

Total Points: 173 (164 + 9)

>_<

[brothaice]

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

You FC'd EHHS?

For sure.

owai-

[Reach]

So I played a bit more tonight and got a few more points. There are still a lot of black flags and 0's I can fix up pretty easily, so I should be able to break 400 points I think (excluding AAA points) when I actually get around to it D:

If I hit really early I can avoid lag misses on the harder songs sometimes but then I sacrifice pa.

Here is my list of stuffz:


4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
4/4 - Deep Breath - AAA
5/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
5/5 - Cutting Circles - AAA
4/4 - Fantranstic - AAA
5/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Soul - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
4/4 - CIA Rave - AAA
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - Wish (For FFR) - AAA
5/5 - Get Down - AAA
5/5 - {Rose} - AAA
4/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - AAA
4/4 - {Blaze} - AAA
7/7 - For FFR - 2 or fewer
6/7 - Silence - 5 or fewer
6/7 - K8107 - 3 or fewer
6/7 - Turbulence - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Splash Beats - 5 or fewer
6/8 - Strangeprogram - 40 or fewer
6/7 - Balloon Fever - 5 or fewer
6/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - 25 or fewer
5/8 - Turkish March - 35 or fewer
5/6 - R176 - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Legend - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Klung Kung - 5 or fewer
3/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,400,000 or higher
4/5 - Divinity - 7 or fewer
4/9 - Pants - 3,600,000 or higher
5/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - 20 or fewer
4/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Epic - 5 or fewer
4/6 - Force Of Light - Single Digit Good
2/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,140,000 or higher
3/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 1,300,000 or higher
4/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,200,000 or higher
4/5 - ASB - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Ruins - 5 or fewer
0/8 - AIM Anthem
4/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Playdoh - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Kick Your A - 4 or fewer
4/6 - {Frozen} - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - Single Digit Good
5/6 - Classical Insanity - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Delirium - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Shihen - 15 or fewer
4/6 - Coat Czech - Single Digit Good
4/5 - Be Princess - 5 or fewer
3/6 - Pretty Green Onions - 40 or fewer
4/7 - Vertex BETA - 50 or fewer
3/4 - Sensorium - 4 or fewer
4/6 - Gradeus - 7[9] or fewer
3/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 1,600,000 or higher
3/4 - Carol Megamix - 5 or fewer
3/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Amefuri Koneko - 6 or fewer
4/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Mother Of God - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Video Out A - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Robotix - Single Digit Good
4/5 - Evil Approaches - 3 or fewer
0/8 - BB Evolution
4/6 - Uber Rave - 7 or fewer
3/4 - ESC - Super Version - 5 or fewer
4/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - Full Combo
0/8 - Rottel-da-station
4/6 - Air - 12 or fewer
2/9 - Caprice - 1,250,000 or more
3/4 - Hyper Pressure - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Tribal Transcendency - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Seven - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Carrousel Paradise - Single Digit Good
2/9 - One Minute Waltz - 700,000 or higher
0/8 - Lawn Wake IV
3/7 - End Night - 40 or fewer
3/8 - Nova Pulser - 40[47] or fewer
3/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - 5 or fewer
2/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,500,000 or higher
3/5 - Famouz - Single Digit Good
2/4 - MAX Forever - 20 or fewer
1/6 - Abtrusity - Full Combo
0/7 - Rondo Alla Turca
0/7 - HELLBEAT
0/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5
0/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3
0/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1
+0 bonus for 41 (approximate) AAAs

Total Points: 338 (338 + 0)

[revolutionomega]

wtf reach... ur too good...

[SCWolf]

Holy Jizz

[revolutionomega]

Originally Posted by SCWolf

Holy Jizz

ROFL!

[remedy1502]

OMFG, my first FC on this song and I get PA points =D

[Tayfun]

reach can get tier insane if he keeps this up.

[FFR4EVA_00]

I don't really care if this issue has been brought up before, but the tiers should be based on scores, not totals. The total (aka what credits are based on, and what some of the harder songs are judged on) mainly judges the ability of someone to hold a combo, while the score (what you see while playing) puts more focus on accuracy. Therefore, someone who FCs a song with bad PA gets the same score as someone who has good PA, but gets a couple of misses. It would make the FC chart unnecessary.

EDIT: I just noticed that there was another thread for critique. I'll post this there too.

[Shashakiro]

No, everything should be based on total because that's what FFR uses as a scoring system at the moment.

Using anything else would be silly.

[FFR4EVA_00]

Well, using a system where two people with the same amount of perfects, goods, averages and misses could have completely different scores based on where their computers spontaneously lagged seems pretty stupid to me. Besides, the score is already there, so that would be one less step in switching over to it.

[Shashakiro]

I won't deny that the combo scoring system isn't all that great, but it's what's used to determine everything in FFR at the moment, so it's irrelevant how good the system is--you can advocate changing the scoring system entirely, but remember that that would invalidate years and years of scores.

[DarkbearX]

Lol oh yay I'm at the very bottom of tier 3.

[FFR4EVA_00]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

I won't deny that the combo scoring system isn't all that great, but it's what's used to determine everything in FFR at the moment, so it's irrelevant how good the system is--you can advocate changing the scoring system entirely, but remember that that would invalidate years and years of scores.

Who said I wanted to do that? I only want to switch the Tier requirements to use the more accuracy-based scoring system that is already programmed into the game. Of course, that has the consequence of invalidating Summerschool's programming.
Technically, the scoring system is already there, so a mere switch in the Tier's requirements from totals to corresponding scores would save everyone Tier rankings. Heck, if I had some kind of program for calculating the totals, then I could probably figure out the corresponding scores for the FC requirements in a couple of days. The total requirements, however, would take a lot longer...
Of course, you could amend the Tiers so that they say xx goods FC or a certain raw score or higher.

[Summerschool]

Can anyone explain how the 5 boos points would be calculated for each song providing I have # of arrows in each song to work with.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by Summerschool

Can anyone explain how the 5 boos points would be calculated for each song providing I have # of arrows in each song to work with.

-100 to the cutoff value.

Originally Posted by FFR4EVA_00

I only want to switch the Tier requirements to use the more accuracy-based scoring system that is already programmed into the game.

The problem with this is that it creates two different sets of goals, since the highscores would be calculated one way, and the tierpoints in another. You'd have a lot of situations where people would be rank 50 or worse on the highscores for a song but have more tierpoints than someone in the top 10 because of the difference in systems. That would really suck IMO, and it's utterly unnecessary. Also, the system doesn't currently record your highest raw score, only your highest total score, so it'd have to be programmed in seperately. The current system isn't that bad anyway since most of the time FC's aren't very hard to get in the first place, besides on the tougher stuff.

Also, the "score" system is pretty terrible as well--it's not as bad as the combo scoring system, but it's still pretty awful, considering a miss will lose you less than what 2 perfs give you.

[Doug31]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Also, the "score" system is pretty terrible as well--it's not as bad as the combo scoring system, but it's still pretty awful, considering a miss will lose you less than what 2 perfs give you.

Lol but a miss is fewer points off than 1 great gives you in SM, since a miss isn't any points off. What I think is inaccurate about score is this: I consider a perfect to be like a standard, and everything else to be points off of that. So, a good is like -25, an average is -45, and a miss is -60. This means the difference between a good and an average is smaller than the difference between a good and a perfect, and the difference between an average and a miss is even smaller than that. So 3-0-0-0 would be a worse score than 0-0-1-2 by this "score."

[NamaKun]

Er... Does 'Full Combo' mean no boos too? I thought it only applied to misses, but the tier point system says I haven't FCed a few things- Like CIA Rave- When I have, just with a few boos. Neh?

[Doug31]

It's based on total. It doesn't really matter much how many boos you get, as long as you get few enough goods and averages to meet the req. I guess boos are a small number of points off, too, but you need some PA to meet the reqs, even if you FC.