TWG CLXIX: TWGabout Revolution - GAME THREAD

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

something something about long reads lists on day one.

why does it seem like you are town reading so many people sunfan?

Pretty much par for the course for me on d0, I do agree with you that the reads list isn't good but I don't think its because I have too many town, I think its because a lot of the reads are too weak

[FreezinIce]

I'm sorry if that's the impression you've gotten but your wrong.

The first time I've had an inkling you could be scum was later on when you went for what I felt like was the easy target (ffa) since your not in the know about his meta you couldn't see it was a trap.

Even then it was conditional, and aorn I actually feel alot better about you now that your not explosively reacting evening and explaining your thoughts

[FreezinIce]

*to everything

Dumb phone

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

The first time I've had an inkling you could be scum was later on when you went for what I felt like was the easy target (ffa) since your not in the know about his meta you couldn't see it was a trap.

honestly my vote is half policy (for the love of god change the playstyle, it's infuriating) and half legitimate belief that he's a wolf. i understand what you're saying, but to anyone not familiar with his meta it just looks like really bad play, and that's not something i'm going to let slide without at least calling it out

i would like to apologize for the outburst though, i probably shouldn't post while knee-deep in work bullshit

[the sun fan]

lmao I forgot to read storn
he'd be in the ok lynch pile but I don't really have anything noteworthy on him
basically I think my reads suck

[FreezinIce]

You are, of course completely wrong makilaz but being wrong isn't scummy.

And I'll at least try to help you see the error of your ways

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

You are, of course completely wrong makilaz but being wrong isn't scummy.

And I'll at least try to help you see the error of your ways

To clarify this wasn't a response to your last post, I just posted this kind of late

[the sun fan]

Freezin I finally do something townie and you're off wooing someone else
;_;

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

To clarify this wasn't a response to your last post, I just posted this kind of late

i feel like i know which post this is actually responding to but i'm going to ask you to clarify just in case

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

breaking this into chunks for easier responding


nah that's not what i was getting at. this was mostly for your defense of ffa + not calling out any of the times he posted reads without substantiating them when you've been pretty good at calling out everyone else (inc me) who's done that


these are basic reads, it's d0. i don't agree that i've overreacted to everything, just some things


it feels like he's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks and then putting up the shiposting barrier when it fails. i had to basically flip my shit at him to get anything resembling useful posts and 90% of his contributions have felt completely effortless. "so and so is town" "ok why" "idk just cuz" is not putting work in, it's trying to skate by without doing anything which is what a wolf would want to do


i could go a few different directions here depending on how narrow we want to get. for you x ffa (if w/w) it feels an awful lot like you're blindly defending your partner when they're getting pressured. on a broader spectrum, you've thrown a lot of heat at other players, which i'm cool with and is something that should be done, but you also seem to try a tad too hard to find things to scumread people for. i could see you doing this to try to score easy town points when really it just serves to try to take the focus off of you


that's completely understandable and i will 100% concede that i don't do this very well

Was posted in response to your reasoning.

It probably deserves a more in depth response other than "your wrong" but I'm doing work stuff too atm.

What I'll say is just because something is possible doesn't mean it's probable.

Do you think that it's more likely than not that your scenarios are correct?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Freezin I finally do something townie and you're off wooing someone else
;_;

Nah dude, the way you poe into scum leaning xel without even bothering to give him a proper read was beyond gross.

I just have other things to do which is why I'm not drilling you for it

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Do you think that it's more likely than not that your scenarios are correct?

as of right now i think my scenarios are likely enough that i'm sticking to them. i don't have the luxury of meta reads so i'm just going off of what's been posted in the thread

i could certainly be swayed out of these scenarios but nothing i've seen so far has done that

[flashflash account]

I think I can help explain a bit as well. Basically you're labeling things as wolf or town behavior without bothering to attach motivation to the behavior. So you can say my reads are wolfy but what makes them wolfy other than it's something a wolf would do
Why is wolf me behaving this way essentially
And the point freezin is making is that wolf me would not behave this way
And to a further extent wolf freezin would not behave this way

Because our motivation for acting the way we are is something you're ignoring you only have "basic_level reads" is the term I think he used

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Nah dude, the way you poe into scum leaning xel without even bothering to give him a proper read was beyond gross.

I just have other things to do which is why I'm not drilling you for it

it was not "beyond gross"
even if you're not trying to, your posts piss me off.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I think I can help explain a bit as well. Basically you're labeling things as wolf or town behavior without bothering to attach motivation to the behavior. So you can say my reads are wolfy but what makes them wolfy other than it's something a wolf would do
Why is wolf me behaving this way essentially
And the point freezin is making is that wolf me would not behave this way
And to a further extent wolf freezin would not behave this way

Because our motivation for acting the way we are is something you're ignoring you only have "basic_level reads" is the term I think he used

this is a good post and i have my reasons to freezin

basically your playstyle makes it seem like you are putting the bare minimum of effort in to make it look like you're doing something and sometimes not even that. it felt like i had to scream at you to get even something useful. a wolf would capitalize on that to try to skirt under the radar without getting called out for making suspicious reads

[flashflash account]

You're only looking at the surface of posts when a fourth of the people in this game are faking the surface

Take indheart as an example
He's provided no game related content so how do we read him

[Makilaz]

gave my reasons*

[storn42]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

lmao I forgot to read storn
he'd be in the ok lynch pile but I don't really have anything noteworthy on him
basically I think my reads suck

2nd person to forget me today

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

as of right now i think my scenarios are likely enough that i'm sticking to them. i don't have the luxury of meta reads so i'm just going off of what's been posted in the thread

i could certainly be swayed out of these scenarios but nothing i've seen so far has done that

Well not sure there's much to be said if you're still scum leaning me after all this.

Let me give you a peak behind the curtain.

I've played with ffa. What he's doing is well within expected values for him.

Other players who have played with him have said the same thing and are townleaning him

At some point you have to acknowledge that you're not in possession of all the relevant information.

You've already seemed to done that (which is good)

Now you have to stop clinging to your read on him and look elsewhere because that is a road to nowhere. I don't see it ever gaining traction today, it's wrong, and it's apparently coloring your read on me negatively.

I'm giving ffa wide liberties not because I'm his partner and I'm somehow petrified of implicating him, but because I understand his playstyle and he's brought up salient points that while unpopular have resonated with me.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

it was not "beyond gross"
even if you're not trying to, your posts piss me off.

was going to have this be the last post before I went ot dinner but fuck you, Freezin, I gave a read on Xel, if you think it was "improper" explain why but I have no idea how you could think that about it