TWG CXXXV: Dichotomy - GAME THREAD

[Charu]

You're a "guardian", right? Let me hunt down what powers you have again if you're legit.

[reuben_tate]

I'm honestly torn at the moment...there's clearly BS happening but I can't separate the BS from the truth

[_Zenith_]

My ability states being capable of being randed, and that is all I can paraphrase.

[_Zenith_]

My receiving of a cardflip can also be randed (one shot but still capable).

[Tokzic]

fucking black btw

[_Zenith_]

I have to outweigh what is better for next phase when it comes to affinity; does town need a possible confirmation of my tracking result or a confirmed role of a player?

Wow, I guess saying it like that makes me want black, and there is no chance I can die if Tokzic is truly said guardian.

Black

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

My receiving of a cardflip can also be randed (one shot but still capable).

My 1-shot can't be randed, this random thing seems pretty arbitrary

black

[reuben_tate]

black

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

My 1-shot can't be randed, this random thing seems pretty arbitrary

black

I know, again looking at this situation out of character is overwhelming but I couldn't hope to bullshit any of my claims.

I'm using information from the first phase still and as a wolf I don't think I could withstand that kind of pressure with knowing what all has happened, if that helps my case at all.

I promise all of you that it says my role can be randomized regardless of affinity, and I cannot physically show you obviously otherwise modkill and all that shit we witnessed in D1.

[Charu]

Alright, so I'm thinking about the dilemma here. Zenith is saying he random'd someone night one.

Tokzic is implying his "guardian" ability has no random function.

So... probably already said but fuck it I don't care to read shit because lol I'M CHARU.

Tokzic's claim came because of the necessity of me going after him due to RB's shenanigans. However, Zenith comes in and paints a whole bunch of ?????????????? on Tokzic to try to make him not 100%.

Zenith then comes in with a VERY elaborate post saying what he is, what he did, and why he did the things he did. Not to mention he was having help with Curry, who died, so it kind of solidifies his position here.

However the only kink here is he states that he random'd Night One.

So then, lets think here.

Why in the world, if Zenith is a wolf, would he say he random'd? Seems kind of off the wall type of thing to state in a day phase. What use would that be to the wolf team? What kind of scheme would involve lying about a random trait?

Then Tokzic tries to capitalize on this and try to muddy Zenith up with his "randomed" shit.

So uh... yeah... that's pretty much why it's a simple choice for me.

Zenith is way more convincing than Tokzic over here, so therefor, I believe in Zenith and his claims, so in my perspective, I see two dead wolves walking.

And one is already dead...

So...

What das dat mean?

Means if we kill these two, game should end. Granted there's no third party stuff happening in the background.

[Charu]

But I mean, it's whatever. Tokzic could just have the shitty end of the stick because of what happened early game.

But I do believe Zenith.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

My 1-shot can't be randed, this random thing seems pretty arbitrary

i do agree that this random thing is pretty arbitrary (if zenith's tracking goes off automatically i don't get why my guards don't)

but at the same time it is definitely not arbitrary that your one-shot power doesn't go off with a random target if you don't send a pm, or else you would have to specifically state every night you wanted to hold onto it, and that is ridiculous

[Charu]

Which is unfortunate because I would really like to trust Tokzic right now, but I just can't.

[_Zenith_]

Charu I really like your post, but you are missing a few things.

1) Why as a wolf would I try and successfully lynch a wolf (TPS) when I want to keep my team alive for a better chance at winning?

2) Why would you pair both Tokzic and I as wolves when a) There is no confirmations of role claims (someone can't disprove that we aren't the roles we claim to be) and b) I got a approval of being tampered with that coincides with seer results. Tokzic claimed this, but never confirmed.

The chances of an inactive player being a wolf is higher than (can't speak for you, Tokzic) I being a wolf.

[Charu]

Nonononono, you misread the last part, lmao.

By two wolves walking, I meant Tokzic and blind, lmao.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

1) Why as a wolf would I try and successfully lynch a wolf (TPS) when I want to keep my team alive for a better chance at winning?

the only confirmation we have of tps being a wolf is you, as far as i remember

if you're a wolf tps was not a wolf

[Charu]

But I just said Tokzic could just be latched with unfair shit.

But it's like... Tokzic can BS himself out of this, I know he can, and it pissed me off he has a power in which I would LOVE to trust, but I can't trust.

IT fucking sucks.

[DaBackpack]

Zenith needs a reason to say why he tracked tps, so random could have been an excuse to cover himself

And again, he's not a seer, he had to have selected the wolf WHO TARGETED AND KILLED every night

Plus, Zenith has been soft defending Tokzic thus whole time (which makes sense --- we had a red read on him and zenith had a red read on tps)

This game is madness...

Zenith who is your third wolf suspicion?

[_Zenith_]

Your guardian ability shouldn't be randomed because then if the miraculous chance you randed a wolf to protect for a vigi, the game could go from "town has a chance" to "wolves just got saved and basically got a nightkill off free).

Mine can be randed because I'm either getting a name back or nothing back, and it barely interferes with any mechanic.

[Tokzic]

fuck is it really charu/zenith

or is zenith legit and blind is woof

FUCK