TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[Xiz]

keep going almost there

[DaBackpack]

guess I don't get it then

[rzr]

rzr [10:00 PM] 
I wanted to hear your thoughts on dlgn at this point

aragakiayase [10:01 PM] 
I have no idea at this point

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he's been controlling which I generally don't like

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he also lied

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but his questioning and pushing seems town

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so no idea

rzr [10:01 PM] 
I have an idea if I make it till tmrw

aragakiayase [10:01 PM] 
you did

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no one died

rzr [10:01 PM] 
to determine if he is one

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damn

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I was gonna go there too lol

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okay

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what about xiz

aragakiayase [10:04 PM] 
he's selfing now lol

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i think he's actually scum

rzr [10:05 PM] 
interesting

aragakiayase [10:05 PM] 
I don't see why he would behave like this atthis point if he's town

rzr [10:05 PM] 
trying to follow me and then dlgn who followed me too lol. only I don't think it's in his character

aragakiayase [10:05 PM] 
follow you?

rzr [10:06 PM] 
do you think I should test him or dlgn

aragakiayase [10:06 PM] 
what do you mean by follow you

rzr [10:08 PM] 
when I got irritated and said "I'm so confident dlgn is a wolf I'll vote for myself and when I flip human you guys better lynch him lol"

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then he did

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the exact same thng like the next day

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now xis wants to try it ay

aragakiayase [10:08 PM] 
what, self voting?

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they followed you on that?

rzr [10:10 PM] 
I mean voting for themselves

aragakiayase [10:10 PM] 
idk I think that comes from frustration or something

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not that they're following you in particular

rzr [10:11 PM] 
what do you think about a roundbox/dlgn/xiz team

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rather what do you think about this

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what if

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tokzic and botchi are the wolves

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and xis is actually pr

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and as scum

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
uhhhh why wouldn't the other PR have claimed then

rzr [10:13 PM] 
tokzic wanted to get more and more people into the booth at once to get them into the main hall then freeze the main hall

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obviously he wouldn't want to

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
but ancient archives were frozen?

rzr [10:13 PM] 
right

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cuz tokzic's plan was botched

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I don't believe this, but it has crossed my mind

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
botched how

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hold on

rzr [10:13 PM] 
because xiz said he was going to the booth

aragakiayase [10:13 PM] 
let's pretend that toxzic/botchi are wolves and xiz is town

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where is the 4th PR

rzr [10:13 PM] 
right

aragakiayase [10:14 PM] 
and why wouldn't the y claim

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then you catch 2 wolves

rzr [10:14 PM] 
perhaps because they would have to possibly sacrifice themself

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perhaps its a newer player

aragakiayase [10:14 PM] 
i guess? but that seems highly unlikely

rzr [10:14 PM] 
perhaps they don't trust themself to be able to convince town

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again

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I don't believe this

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but I must explore these possibilites

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before fully trusting tok

aragakiayase [10:15 PM] 
ok

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and what about toxzic's potential plan being ruined?

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when xiz wanted to go booth

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wouldn't that help more?

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if his goal was to get people bumped into main hall and then freeze

rzr [10:15 PM] 
it wouldn't help anyone be convinced of tokzic's claim to appear to allow xiz to do this

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he would have to be against it, to make look xiz look scummy

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which obviously we all were because xiz's plan was bad

aragakiayase [10:16 PM] 
ohhh

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that's interesting

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did toxzic tell you to go to the booth?

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because you implied it earlier but you ended up in dino den?

rzr [10:17 PM] 
he did, and afterwards we discussed things when xiz did what he did I was asked not to go

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so I didn't tell toxic where I was going, but I left the booth so to speak

aragakiayase [10:18 PM] 
I guess he ended up taking control

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toxzic

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because xiz was gonna fuck everything up

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random hiding worked out for the best

rzr [10:19 PM] 
indeed, I hope we don't screw it up like the pats when we got that fumble at the end of the game -_-

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all that said

aragakiayase [10:19 PM] 
lol...

rzr [10:19 PM] 
I think I wanna hear your thoughts on roundbox too

aragakiayase [10:20 PM] 
I said in main chat

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but read this

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http://pastebin.com/Gt84sw7a
Pastebin
roundbox [6:51 PM]   I guess this might be a faster format    ​[6:51]   or a - Pastebin.com (8KB)


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I feel like he's pocketing me

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all of a sudden talks about hiding (4 hours after everything)

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and reveals his hiding location

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then I ask why and he says "I don't suspect you"

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I don't recall him having any read on me earlier

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it seems very convenient

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and ????

rzr [10:21 PM] 
it is quite an interesting perspective to think roundbox's wolf game this time is more dominant

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but it would be a logical explanation

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??? what?

aragakiayase [10:22 PM] 
as in I'm confused

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but it seems very sketchy

rzr [10:22 PM] 
well here's my plan amigo

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I was hoping to get a scummy reaction from you just now

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I didn't

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I still stick by trusting you

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for now

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so

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I think xiz is a wolf

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and I think dlgn is a wolf

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roundbox defended dlgn long enough for me to think there's a possible team between them

aragakiayase [10:24 PM] 
is dlgn because of the self voting thing

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or is it because he's acted scummy

zr [10:24 PM] 
after reading dap earler

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acting but lemme come back to that

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remind me

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so after reading dap ITT and public slack I trust him too

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where as before I thought it was AA/dap or dlgn/round

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then the xiz shit came into play

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so it becomes aa/dap/xiz or dlgn/roundbox/xiz

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now that you fall into my town pile and dap does too you see where I'm at

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anyway lemme go find the post

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but whatd you think

aragakiayase [10:27 PM] 
wait why would you group me and xiz with dbp

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he's been pressuring our pairing the most

rzr [10:31 PM] 
it's more of a 
xiz/dbp combo

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but I said that's where I WAS at

aragakiayase [10:32 PM] 
ok

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but why were you combining xiz and dbp in the first place?

rzr [10:36 PM] 
I don't think it was so much of a pair as them being wolves in general

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so

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there was nothing alignment indicative

aragakiayase [10:39 PM] 
what about storn/charu/xel

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do you think V is town?

rzr [10:39 PM] 
V town

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charu town

aragakiayase [10:39 PM] 
charu town why

rzr [10:39 PM] 
xel/storn I do not know, I have thought about it too

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he's not the wolf charu I knew at all

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he had a good plan at the start

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and he's more town oriented then I've seen him before

aragakiayase [10:40 PM] 
ok

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yeah I'm null on dlgn

rzr [10:40 PM] 
similar with V but I never seen his wolf game

aragakiayase [10:41 PM] 
and I don't like roundbox coming to me with his hiding place out of the blue

rzr [10:41 PM] 
I'm sold on dlgn/roundbox

aragakiayase [10:41 PM] 
and xiz?

rzr [10:42 PM] 
over tokzic yers

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over botchi, not so usre

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I didn't see the reveal

take what you want from this

[DaBackpack]

well, sort of, but I don't see how that helps

[rzr]

In order from most trust to least and most scummy to least


town: 12.rzr, 7.Tokzic, 2.dabackpack, 1.roundbox, 10.Vendetta21, 11.botchi246

scum pile: 13.Xiz, 9.dLGN, 4.KirinoKousaka, 5.Charu, 6.storn42, 8.XelNya

3.Gradiant - Human, Lynched Day 1 I want to reexamine the wagon

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

In order from most trust to least and most scummy to least


town: 12.rzr, 7.Tokzic, 2.dabackpack, 1.roundbox, 10.Vendetta21, 11.botchi246

scum pile: 13.Xiz, 9.dLGN, 4.KirinoKousaka, 5.Charu, 6.storn42, 8.XelNya

3.Gradiant - Human, Lynched Day 1 I want to reexamine the wagon

interesting, that doesn't fit at all with what you just said to me

[AragakiAyase]

rzr [10:22 PM]
well here's my plan amigo

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I was hoping to get a scummy reaction from you just now

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I didn't

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I still stick by trusting you

so what's the sudden switch?

[rzr]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

interesting, that doesn't fit at all with what you just said to me

I know that. Sadly, if it's between you and DBP I have to pick dap for reasons that tokzic/roundbox know

[rzr]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

so what's the sudden switch?

Because as my biggest scum leans (dlgn, dap, etc) get shot down, I'm left with you up there since dap is cleared. I was trusting charu, but towards the later of today that has been dwindling since I feel the run around with him. Storn still has a lot of answers and xiz is obviously scum

[rzr]

Also if it helps my eyes on more of Charu given that I've seen you helping more. Also technically if you put it all on a spectrum it would look like this

12.rzr, 7.Tokzic, 2.dabackpack, 1.roundbox, 10.Vendetta21, 11.botchi246
8.XelNya, 6.storn42, 5.Charu, 4.KirinoKousaka, 9.dLGN, 13.Xiz,

[rzr]

Oh I missed you guys sorry this instead


12.rzr,
7.Tokzic,
2.dabackpack,
1.roundbox,

10.Vendetta21,
11.botchi246
8.XelNya,
6.storn42,
5.Charu,
4.KirinoKousaka,
9.dLGN,
13.Xiz,[/quote]

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

Because as my biggest scum leans (dlgn, dap, etc) get shot down, I'm left with you up there since dap is cleared. I was trusting charu, but towards the later of today that has been dwindling since I feel the run around with him. Storn still has a lot of answers and xiz is obviously scum

you realize dbp isn't actually cleared? also why has roundbox suddenly moved into your town pile?

[rzr]

round told Dap he was going to the archives. The archives closed. Tokzic found dap in the dino den.
I trust tokzic's claim.
I trust roundbox's plan was town oriented.
Therefore, at this time, I trust dap.

[rzr]

I do realize he isn't fully cleared - nobody is until they're flipped. But I spent most of today deducing these claims and in my POV xiz is scum, you are possibly scum. If dlgn is scum then I don't think you are. If he is human I'm more convinced of you being scum.

[rzr]

storn is lurking again

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

round told Dap he was going to the archives. The archives closed. Tokzic found dap in the dino den.
I trust tokzic's claim.
I trust roundbox's plan was town oriented.
Therefore, at this time, I trust dap.

I'm confused how you trust dbp because of this. Consider this scenario: round tells dbp he's hiding in ancient archives, dbp wants round dead so he closes archives but doesn't want to be incriminated so he has his partner do it for him while he hides in dino den so it doesn't look like he's doing the freezing. All toxzic's find of dbp in the dino den means is that dbp didn't do the freezing

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'm confused how you trust dbp because of this. Consider this scenario: round tells dbp he's hiding in ancient archives, dbp wants round dead so he closes archives but doesn't want to be incriminated so he has his partner do it for him while he hides in dino den so it doesn't look like he's doing the freezing. All toxzic's find of dbp in the dino den means is that dbp didn't do the freezing

seems like an awfully elaborate setup to convince one player, considering there were other exhibits that could have been closed just as easily

[rzr]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'm confused how you trust dbp because of this. Consider this scenario: round tells dbp he's hiding in ancient archives, dbp wants round dead so he closes archives but doesn't want to be incriminated so he has his partner do it for him while he hides in dino den so it doesn't look like he's doing the freezing. All toxzic's find of dbp in the dino den means is that dbp didn't do the freezing

Originally Posted by roundbox

seems like an awfully elaborate setup to convince one player, considering there were other exhibits that could have been closed just as easily

Wait, what? I see where you're coming from I hadn't considered that

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by roundbox

seems like an awfully elaborate setup to convince one player, considering there were other exhibits that could have been closed just as easily

I don't disagree but I don't understand how dbp is cleared in rzr's mind because of toxzic finding him in DD

[AragakiAyase]

dbp in dino den =/= dbp is clear in the slightest