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Sickminded978 · 06-9-2005, 03:24 AM

I stayed home from school so I'm going to go make some AAAs lolol

white_boy · 06-9-2005, 03:36 AM

ive been working on mostly timing lately anyways...its increasing, and its MUCH easier to increase then speed.

Ive trained pure speed for a year, with no care for timing at all, thinking it wasnt even that important as long as i could hit all the arrows.

ive only been training accuracy maybe for a month and a half and ive gotten some O.K. AAA's already. Tokyo syle speedcore, delerium, 2 great sdg on lawn wake IX plus some other stuff i cant remember right now.

anyways, i g2g to school. later.

eVILPeeR · 06-9-2005, 05:03 AM

Speed is way more important than accuracy. Want to know why?
Before you get either accuracy or speed, speed is more important. Accuracy comes as a result. If you HONESTLY think that accuracy is more important, or just AS important in the beginning, you're a fucking retard. No honestly, because if you think AA'ing Quasar is more impressive then passing it on 1.5x music, you've got problems.
Now, speed develops accuracy. Over time of playing hard shit all the time, your accuracy comes along because you have the speed to hit those arrows accurately. If you don't have the speed to hit say.. VitA v2, then you will not ever be able to AAA it. If you can hit every single arrow, then you can AAA it. It's just a matter of having the speed and reading ability to time the arrows, that's it.
So in short, speed is more important than accuracy.

End of discuss.

Anuj · 06-9-2005, 05:30 AM

Tsutter used to have shit for accuracy and lots of speed... look how fast he got good... =\

dAnceguy117 · 06-9-2005, 05:57 AM

Exactly. That's why I won't be moving up anytime soon, unless my ring finger suddenly responds better. I started out with shit for speed and like lol coo~ accuracy.. I improved for awhile, and then I got stuck, quit for awhile, got better, etc. I'm still really, really slow, and am probably getting near my physical limits. On the other hand, white_boy here is just going to get better and better.

**talisman** · 06-9-2005, 06:19 AM

ok fine...

Nima
Reach
linus
Omegix/tsutter/fusi0n/ignite
justaguy/whiteboy if he were as accurate as he is fast
Laggy
emccky
OrigamiKid
Kamoa Han Senzui/cstarflare
eVILPeeR/danceguy
ak0rn/talisman/motoko125/jacksonballz (I'm at the lower end of this group)

Where he is now I don't know. I beat him at anything MA related the few times we've played against each other, but he absolutely destroys me on hard stuff... so he's in the spot where I think he could get for now.

waffydude · 06-9-2005, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusi0n

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMGod

Yes it is. Ie. An FC on quasar 1.8 is much more impressive than a AAA on 1.3. Accuracy can generally come with time to atleast a decent level. Speed is generally natural and although can be improved not to an equal extent.

What the fuck do you think an AAA means? You're really fast?

Speed without accuracy is nothing. If someone can fucking mash blur at 1.5 that doesn't make him good; it means he can bang his keyboard mindlessly really quickly.

p.s. you're really stupid

Couldn't you also turn it the other way around though, and say that accuracy without speed is nothing? If you're new and can somehow MA really well but can't even handle like 16ths at 200 bpm or something, where is that going to to get you? You obviously need to practice to improve your speed more from there, otherwise you'll get stuck in a hole of being able to get really high grades on easy stuff and never be able to move up... So in that case, I definitely see why speed is so important.

I would generally see more potential in someone with lots of speed than just accuracy, partly for the reason I just said. I've at least found (and like white_boy said) that accuracy is easier to improve over a shorter time than speed is, and a bit of accuracy does naturally come when you build up speed (though you may not be very accurate on the fastest stuff you can do at that point, the improved speed will probably help your accuracy on the stuff that is now easier for you.) That's just from my experience, though.

Origamikid · 06-9-2005, 10:02 AM

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I've at least found (and like white_boy said) that accuracy is easier to improve over a shorter time than speed is, and a bit of accuracy does naturally come when you build up speed (though you may not be very accurate on the fastest stuff you can do at that point, the improved speed will probably help your accuracy on the stuff that is now easier for you.) That's just from my experience, though.

agreed... I can MA/PA stuff well that is about .3 to .5 song speed below what I would be playing speedwise... obviously varied from song to song...

fusi0n · 06-9-2005, 11:24 AM

Ok guys I understand that accuracy without speed is nothing, but that still doesn't make speed more important. Yes evilpeer, speed is more important to naturally have in the beginning, but that still doesn't make it more important in figuring a score's worth. When everything is said and done, your score's worth is determined by both speed and accuracy.

People are different, and you can't just say accuracy is easier to improve. Let's compare Origami and me. I remember him having more speed than I (not sure if this was true but let's just say it is). Obviously speed is easier for him to improve. I remember him having trouble with timing; more than the others on the same tier. Why wasn't he considered better than me if speed is more important than accuracy? And if accuracy is easier to improve then why hasn't he caught up to his speed? You need to have accuracy to match up with your speed to be an all-around good player, and I have no idea why you put white boy all the way up there since you don't even know his accuracy skill.

But yes, I agree with you guys in saying that speed is more important to initially have.

Origamikid · 06-9-2005, 03:54 PM

everyone is right =P... accuracy, speed... w/e... just play... rating how good a player is versus other people will always be subjective...

lol, and honestly I don't know who I'm faster than nowadays... since my speed hasn't improved much for a while... ever since I started working on accuracy... for point of reference, I AA snow 1.4 and VITA 1.3... which if you may remember, I was able to do a long-ass time ago as well...

and about my accuracy, IMO, my accuracy has improved IMMENSELY... since this past winter basically, my speed has flatlined, while I worked on accuracy... now, my accuracy isn't really something you can overlook... and I can hit some decently fast songs accurately too, thanks to the speed I already have... the problem for me is, I stopped working speed to work on accuracy... and a good portion of people working accuracy still keep on workign accuracy, so the range one would consider "good MA/PA" has drastically changed since when I started workign accuracy...

5 months ago, I was low SDG'ing w/ 80 perfs songs that people were getting AAA's w/ 30 perfs on... now I'm getting AAA's w/ 20 perfs on those same songs, while people are SDP'ing them... I'm still playing catch-up =/

so yeah, overall, IMO, I HAVE caught up to my speed... it just depends on what frame of reference you are looking at...

and also IMO, I suck now... a good number of people have passed my speed, and too many people are still, and always will be, more accurate than I am... the only thing I have is mines >_<

Anuj · 06-9-2005, 09:21 PM

lol drimn ddrunk

justaguy · 06-9-2005, 09:24 PM

how about stepmania is serious business and you're all gay except for fusion

**Omegix** · 06-9-2005, 11:51 PM

and me

**TehWhack** · 06-10-2005, 06:06 PM

C-modless play:

1. Spazzbite
2. Me
3. Everyone else

rofs I suck

DukAmok · 06-10-2005, 06:22 PM

uh hi remember my quasar 1x score? i think im on that list somewhere :P

**TehWhack** · 06-10-2005, 06:26 PM

I said "c-modless" not "modless"

i.e. not using a c-mod for songs that change BPM all the time like Omega from TM5.

oh yeah, also to set the record straight I don't play SM on finger anymore.

DukAmok · 06-10-2005, 07:30 PM

omega is stupid though =(

white_boy · 06-11-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusi0n

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMGod

Yes it is. Ie. An FC on quasar 1.8 is much more impressive than a AAA on 1.3. Accuracy can generally come with time to atleast a decent level. Speed is generally natural and although can be improved not to an equal extent.

What the fuck do you think an AAA means? You're really fast?

Speed without accuracy is nothing. If someone can fucking mash blur at 1.5 that doesn't make him good; it means he can bang his keyboard mindlessly really quickly.

p.s. you're really stupid

Are you serious? mashing mindlessly is mashing mindelessly.

being able to read the arrows at insanely high speeds is another thing, dont get them mixed. just watch my quasar 1.9x video, a very small amount of people could probably match those cb's considering how hard they are to read at that speed, and not once did i mash if you pay attention.

gg.

fusi0n · 06-11-2005, 09:51 AM

I don't need to watch your little quasar video to see that you didn't mash. I've been playing this game for some time kid; I know how to analyze a fucking screenshot. And yeah I can tell you're getting a little too cocky and your timing still blows.

you're missing my point that without accuracy you still can't be considered good. Your accuracy pretty much blows compared to your speed so I wouldn't consider you nearly as high as talisman put you.

and gg was real cute in counter-strike 3 years ago.

**talisman** · 06-11-2005, 10:40 AM

notice it says "white boy if he were as accurate as he is fast"

06-9-2005, 05:03 AM	#883
eVILPeeR FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 2,284	Speed is way more important than accuracy. Want to know why? Before you get either accuracy or speed, speed is more important. Accuracy comes as a result. If you HONESTLY think that accuracy is more important, or just AS important in the beginning, you're a fucking retard. No honestly, because if you think AA'ing Quasar is more impressive then passing it on 1.5x music, you've got problems. Now, speed develops accuracy. Over time of playing hard shit all the time, your accuracy comes along because you have the speed to hit those arrows accurately. If you don't have the speed to hit say.. VitA v2, then you will not ever be able to AAA it. If you can hit every single arrow, then you can AAA it. It's just a matter of having the speed and reading ability to time the arrows, that's it. So in short, speed is more important than accuracy. End of discuss. __________________

06-9-2005, 05:30 AM	#884
Anuj FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,998	Tsutter used to have shit for accuracy and lots of speed... look how fast he got good... =\ __________________

06-9-2005, 03:54 PM	#890
Origamikid FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 949	everyone is right =P... accuracy, speed... w/e... just play... rating how good a player is versus other people will always be subjective... lol, and honestly I don't know who I'm faster than nowadays... since my speed hasn't improved much for a while... ever since I started working on accuracy... for point of reference, I AA snow 1.4 and VITA 1.3... which if you may remember, I was able to do a long-ass time ago as well... and about my accuracy, IMO, my accuracy has improved IMMENSELY... since this past winter basically, my speed has flatlined, while I worked on accuracy... now, my accuracy isn't really something you can overlook... and I can hit some decently fast songs accurately too, thanks to the speed I already have... the problem for me is, I stopped working speed to work on accuracy... and a good portion of people working accuracy still keep on workign accuracy, so the range one would consider "good MA/PA" has drastically changed since when I started workign accuracy... 5 months ago, I was low SDG'ing w/ 80 perfs songs that people were getting AAA's w/ 30 perfs on... now I'm getting AAA's w/ 20 perfs on those same songs, while people are SDP'ing them... I'm still playing catch-up =/ so yeah, overall, IMO, I HAVE caught up to my speed... it just depends on what frame of reference you are looking at... and also IMO, I suck now... a good number of people have passed my speed, and too many people are still, and always will be, more accurate than I am... the only thing I have is mines >_< __________________ tsutter: ORIGAMIKID WINS FOREVER Anuj: ORIGAMIKID WINS FOREVER banditcom: hmm i can still surf the forums... cool banditcom: XD banditcom: im not tsuttered

06-9-2005, 09:21 PM	#891
Anuj FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,998	lol drimn ddrunk __________________

06-9-2005, 09:24 PM	#892
justaguy Forum User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: next 2 no 1 in oregon rofl Posts: 3,566	how about stepmania is serious business and you're all gay except for fusion __________________ #TeamSwoll

06-9-2005, 05:57 AM	#885
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Exactly. That's why I won't be moving up anytime soon, unless my ring finger suddenly responds better. I started out with shit for speed and like lol coo~ accuracy.. I improved for awhile, and then I got stuck, quit for awhile, got better, etc. I'm still really, really slow, and am probably getting near my physical limits. On the other hand, white_boy here is just going to get better and better.

06-9-2005, 06:19 AM	#886
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	ok fine... Nima Reach linus Omegix/tsutter/fusi0n/ignite justaguy/whiteboy if he were as accurate as he is fast Laggy emccky OrigamiKid Kamoa Han Senzui/cstarflare eVILPeeR/danceguy ak0rn/talisman/motoko125/jacksonballz (I'm at the lower end of this group) Where he is now I don't know. I beat him at anything MA related the few times we've played against each other, but he absolutely destroys me on hard stuff... so he's in the spot where I think he could get for now.

06-9-2005, 11:24 AM	#889
fusi0n FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 36 Posts: 2,158	Ok guys I understand that accuracy without speed is nothing, but that still doesn't make speed more important. Yes evilpeer, speed is more important to naturally have in the beginning, but that still doesn't make it more important in figuring a score's worth. When everything is said and done, your score's worth is determined by both speed and accuracy. People are different, and you can't just say accuracy is easier to improve. Let's compare Origami and me. I remember him having more speed than I (not sure if this was true but let's just say it is). Obviously speed is easier for him to improve. I remember him having trouble with timing; more than the others on the same tier. Why wasn't he considered better than me if speed is more important than accuracy? And if accuracy is easier to improve then why hasn't he caught up to his speed? You need to have accuracy to match up with your speed to be an all-around good player, and I have no idea why you put white boy all the way up there since you don't even know his accuracy skill. But yes, I agree with you guys in saying that speed is more important to initially have.

06-9-2005, 11:51 PM	#893
Omegix free tsutter Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fishers, IN Age: 35 Posts: 883	and me __________________

06-10-2005, 06:06 PM	#894
TehWhack FFR Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere in Canada Age: 35 Posts: 766	C-modless play: 1. Spazzbite 2. Me 3. Everyone else rofs I suck

06-10-2005, 06:22 PM	#895
DukAmok FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 1,841	uh hi remember my quasar 1x score? i think im on that list somewhere :P __________________

06-10-2005, 06:26 PM	#896
TehWhack FFR Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere in Canada Age: 35 Posts: 766	I said "c-modless" not "modless" i.e. not using a c-mod for songs that change BPM all the time like Omega from TM5. oh yeah, also to set the record straight I don't play SM on finger anymore.

06-10-2005, 07:30 PM	#897
DukAmok FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 1,841	omega is stupid though =( __________________

06-11-2005, 09:51 AM	#899
fusi0n FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 36 Posts: 2,158	I don't need to watch your little quasar video to see that you didn't mash. I've been playing this game for some time kid; I know how to analyze a fucking screenshot. And yeah I can tell you're getting a little too cocky and your timing still blows. you're missing my point that without accuracy you still can't be considered good. Your accuracy pretty much blows compared to your speed so I wouldn't consider you nearly as high as talisman put you. and gg was real cute in counter-strike 3 years ago.

06-11-2005, 10:40 AM	#900
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	notice it says "white boy if he were as accurate as he is fast"

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