TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Yzma]

Wait does the shooter get a card flip too??

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Gaston

Risky because if he's an actual power role he gets revealed. Especially if he's the medic

What...

[TWG Charles Muntz]

The Queen, that's the obvious plan. I'm not risking this shit again but I have something else in mind.
Claiming gun and not using it would be the dumbest thing I did had I not a reason for it. Would I have died in the night, I'd have been a meat shield for whatever PR could have been hit, and so I was wondering how the wolves would react to it. Seeing as they didn't hit, they must have had a reason for it.
Looking into this phase, there's some lazy ass framing from Syndrome & Yzma onto me on the basis that I claimed gun. Syndrome even retracts himself but still hold on to his push in 821. Odd. Their more recent posts also show a curious dynamic between the two (acknowledging each other (light bussing?), being apologetic (twice)). I'm especially looking at Yzma at post 841 and for now expressing she wants the gun gone.

I'm thinking it's really easy for wolves to dismiss me having a gun by saying I'm lying. It's an agreeable supposition, but I don't believe it merits a push this early. W/W nah, but one of them being wolf I can get behind.

Yzma

[TWG Maleficent]

i wanna see charles' opinion on the auto theory regardless

[TWG Yzma]

Charles I don't doubt you have the gun.

What I'm worried about is that you're a hero saving the gun to get the heroes to win at the end.

[Xiz]

to clarify, the person shooting the gun will be revealed, however the person shooting will not be card flipped


Example: Xiz reveals a gun and shoots TWG Canada

(Then Canada's card flip will happen)

[TWG Charles Muntz]

Oh man, shooting the fun sounds cool.

[TWG Charles Muntz]

Oh wait you edited nvm.

Yzma, the gun's action is public. How is that benefficial if claiming there as gunner would be sudden death for a hero?

[TWG Captain Hook]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Dont just at the activity certain people have, look at how others are acting towards thise certain people. Like auto hasnt done shit, but people are suspicious because of how hades was acting towards him.

Maybe I'm totally stupid here but how is how hades was acting towards auto make him Hero?

He was on auto early

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

Interesting, because I feel the same way about Gaston and Auto. Both are all snark and no content.

He narrowed the day down to just auto and I, basically keeping on the two easiest targets from the previous day.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

I really thought we had something with Hans. Disappointing.

The last vote by Auto is probably one of two things: a Hero saving another Hero (Hook) from a lynch, or just a misguided/unlucky Villain breaking the tie.

I cannot imagine that a Hero Auto would save a Villain Hook from KITB. There is no potential upside from breaking the KITB. A Hero Auto would have known that breaking the tie would flip a green, and make him the center of attention for the next day phase.

If we lynch Auto today and he comes up Hero, Hook is almost certainly Hero
If we lynch Auto today and he comes up Villain, Hook could be either
If we lynch Hook today and he comes up Hero, Auto could be either
If we lynch Hook today and he comes up Villain, Auto is almost certainly Villain

I believe our lynches today should be between Hook and Auto, since they will give us the most information. Based on the above, if we lynch Hook, we either get a Hero or we clear Auto. If we lynch Auto we either double up, or we get nothing.

Because a Hook lynch is win-win, I vote for Hook. Either we get a Hero in hook, in which case we can re-evaluate an Auto lynch, or Hook comes up Villain and we can clear Auto.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

And it's not ignoring peoples' behaviors. Behavior is the reason that I focused on Hook and Auto, maybe I didn't make that clear. The only reason I thought this through was because both Hook and Auto are looking more than a little Heroic to me at this point.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

Hook's attitude bothered me all day. He refused to try to contribute at the beginning of the day and put off any attempts to get information from him, which to me seemed like an attempt to get back off the radar without providing anything that could be used against him later. When that didn't work, he went inactive for a while (possibly trying to wait for everything to blow over). During this time, if I remember correctly, Auto came to his defense (just another piece of data linking them).

Gaston had a similar attitude that also bothered me, and I would consider voting for him if there isn't a push in the Hook/Auto direction.

Shere Khan either needs to start posting or be replaced.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

I suppose that I was thinking that clearing someone on Day Two would help in the long run, but I am also 100% on board with a vote on Auto, I said so from the beginning. I don't think you know what hedging your bet means. It doesn't mean going all or nothing, it means making sure that you get something no matter what the outcome is.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

Because it seems like neither Hook nor Auto will be on the chopping block today, I will change my vote to Shere Khan until he posts something useful or gets replaced.

I stand by my logic, but it is only useful if we are choosing between Hook and Auto, which doesn't seem to be happening.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

That is not the focal point behind my vote. The focal point of my vote was that I thought Hook and Auto both looked Heroic, and if we focus Hook we don't lose. Either we get a Hero (most likely) and then can reconsider Auto for Day Three, or if he turns Villa, we can clear Auto.

But again it looks like the vote is going elsewhere (nowhere) so I am only responding to defend myself and my logic.

I am fine with a Gaston lynch, as I already stated, and will switch my vote to him because I am not a Hero and do not want to be in a two vote KITB.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

Gaston and Clayton would have been my next two Hero leans, but now that Clayton was replaced I'm willing to give his replacement a chance, for now.

So, yes, Gaston is my third favorite. But the reason I changed my vote from Shere Khan was self preservation.

I would love to vote for Cruella or Syndrome, but I'm not convinced that they're not just stupid Villains.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

Absolutely. Auto

He primarily seemed to stay focused on Auto and myself. Granted he was going more towards me but why put so much pressure on Auto if he's a fellow villan? I suppose it could be a tactic, but it really just seems like he was going for the easiest wagons from the last phase.

I brought these posts up to also look at the other people he mentioned and/or voted on.

[TWG Captain Hook]

Fellow Hero*

[TWG Yzma]

I don't understand what you mean but surely you can understand the danger of a hero having the gun.

If you are ever a lynch target, you can get a free kill.

Otherwise, you make it to the end and end the game in a hero win. And based on previous evidence, there's a solid chance that you might be a hero. Removing the gun in the proposed way helps the villains. (Even if we are wrong, we get a free action today, since we would have lynched that person otherwise.)

[TWG Yzma]

Btw, the end game I'm using ad an example is three villains two heroes -> hero uses gun -> hero's win

[TWG Charles Muntz]

You are holding onto false pretenses while overlooking the context of this game so you can incriminate me further. Would somebody claim there if he'd want to keep all his chances in keeping the gun until the end? Is it too hard to grasp? Because I did to fetch the herpes attention and it's not to forget the gunsmith has the free will to distribute free pea shooters to everyone and come out exposing those who hold the guns. Basically uncovering the vermin.

I feel like holding onto this thought is ridiculously stubborn especially when not looking at the situation. What it comes down to is "You could have done X when in fact I've done Y".

[TWG Charles Muntz]

*heroes FUARK

[TWG Yzma]

I'm not saying you're necessarily a wolf. But there is reason to suspect yoo: most suspiciously the fact that you haven't died yet after claiming.

Imagine if it was me and you thought I was a wolf: wouldn't you want to disarm me in a way that benefits the villains? To prevent the worst case scenario later on?

The question I should be asking is what your problem with this plan is. If you truly are villain, then shooting the gun based in a major bandwagon shouldn't be a problem.

What is your problem with this plan?

[TWG Yzma]

If you don't like the Auto wagon, speak up. Change the wagon! Holding on to your gun without an explanation is essentially a confession of guilt.

[TWG The Queen]

i dont think im crazy about having auto or yzma die next

[TWG Charles Muntz]

What plan? Shooting Auto?
I have no fucking problem with it read again

[TWG Jafar]

There is no reason to suspect Charles of being a hero for not dying the past night phase.

Cruella proved she was a threat and also proved she was a Villain by killing Hades.

Muntz has been inactive all game and hasn't proven he has a solid foundation on who's who yet.

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

Hypothetically, I'd think a hero would want to keep Charles around. There's no reason for the wolves to be scared of an infant with a gun.

Infant is more likely to shoot his own parents then a burglar

[TWG Yzma]

Originally Posted by TWG Charles Muntz

What plan? Shooting Auto?
I have no fucking problem with it read again

oh whoops, sorry didn't mean to put words in your mouth

I'm just trying to demonstrate where I'm coming from, sure you may know that you're a villain, but the rest of us might be worried based on things that have happened that aren't your fault

Discharging the gun soon, from villains' perspective, is best. With a higher villain:hero ratio, the lynch will be more likely to succeed: so a planned discharge will be useful. Not to mention that (from our perspective) if you're a hero, we prevent the worst case scenario.

What are your thoughts now Queen?