TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[Charu]

Alright guys, I got 4 hours to continue, *phew* lets fucking do this for real.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by inDheart

i get inklings of a "haku defensive" vibe but i noticed something different about his start the game here vs. turbo 5

in turbo 5, he started the game as haku-centric, but then felt freer to post his mind and poke at people

in this game, he started as more openly inquisitive, then switched to a focus on the self (cf. his vote on xel)

something feels different

town or scum? do explain

Originally Posted by inDheart

then talk to me about why your argument against freez is an ill-founded attempt at pushing a narrative, which he's debunked, and mine is supposedly sheeping your shit

talk to me about why when you share a thought with someone else hours later it's a "mindmeld" and when we wind up thinking the same way i'm your copycat

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=544

I think I'm getting out of this you're scumreading shado, kinda scumreading freezin, and town reading gradiant?

either way, some GOOD posting here and I want to see what other people you look at later because this could change my reada

Originally Posted by inDheart

because i wasn't searching for that as a foregone conclusion?

the two main topics of that post are what i've wondered about most, so i gave you some detail to my wondering

jesus i'm an hour over, okay actually gone now

oh

well nothing really stands out to me strongly about inDheart other than he's in the thread talking often. I kinda want him to dig into other players before I can push him into town territory. And when I say dig, I mean dig like you dug into shado

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Precarious

Wouldn't mind seeing his thoughts on the other players though. (I'm guessing that's coming?)

reverse post order like he and dfr(?) are doing is hard, i'd rather get the bulk out of the way early - that's probably why it's getting longer between posts

[DaBackpack]

hi from party

[Gradiant]

Thanks for the posts charu, gave me stuff to read while i was on break at work.

Precarious' reluctance to see anything bad about freezin is laughable.

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by Charu

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Anyways, here comes Gradiant with the first vote of the game. It's on our town idiot (sorry not sorry), HAKULYTE!!! Again, this is meta, but Gradiant is the type of player that doesn't like stupid plays. So when he see's a stupid play, he will attack it and never let up unless something else happens to direct his attention. (Which it sure does in this game as I know, haha).

Please do not that his vote ended in a "Wheeeee" and an image of a bird (tm). I get the impression it wasn't a serious vote.

At the time, it was a serious vote. However, as Haku has been posting much better than when he started out, Freezin has been getting progressively worse in terms of bad attitude, immediate attitude switching, and insulting instead of reasonably responding to points, hence my vote switch.

[Gradiant]

Nice to see roundbox finally posting as well

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by roundbox

town or scum? do explain

he was in line with scum then, but he's gotten better as the day went on. as i mentioned, though, if he and i both make it to following days and he's markedly different like he was as scum before, i'll say sth[/quote]

[roundbox]

my drive to keep reading is dying, help me guys

[Charu]

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Haku's probably town

Really the only town sided read backpack has given with an actual reason this time. (Reason being he quoted the post that I was gawking at with happy stupor.

Haku making me proud with another read. Says inDheart is town based on a meta read. I recall inDheart to be the person to make connect dots type of guy and defend when necessary. Granted, I don't believe there really isn't that much flinging in his direction on this page. The only thing that happened was Shadow started attacking him, and he refuted. Like I said in a previous post, I'm suspecting my initial read on him is wrong because, even though he hasn't posted all that much, I see him going at something that no one else seems to be going after (besides the two yelling at each other obviously).

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

A combination of that and the realization that further continuation down that path wasnt gonna to yield anything productive.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I guess I should punctuate my previous post with an unvote

Now these two posts... feels like it's admitting defeat (feels like it). Since it looks like he's not going to get any town people to go after the person he's attacking, he's opting to finally say "I'm done". It leaves a big bad taste imo.

And again, the sudden tone change.

I feel like I'm parroting right now, but I really, strongly, truly feel he's the best lynch.

Originally Posted by inDheart

just got home, yeah i'd seen that

taking a look at shado anyway; my hot take is he's done a lot of following rather than leading, like he's willing to push along other battles but not to be part of his own so much. for me that behavior trends more sociopathic, but what's throwing me off is i don't have a good bead on whether this is usually what he does in longer games.

Oh baby, every single post this page thus far has been juicy, heh. I love this unique read inDheart just gave out. Indeed, shadow hasn't really done much in terms of original content but follow what others have yelled at. He didn't start anything except add on what was already existing. More town points to you.

In his defense though, and I say this with no means to persuade your read, he HAS been prodding, which is a really towny trait. It's just too bad it's being buried beneath all the questionable sudden changes of opionions with no congnititve progression showcasing as such.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

LMAO
That actually sounds familiar, inDheart. Almost like you took my exact argument against you and tried to flip it. Want an example of me starting a battle? My read on you.

Not even gonna touch the sociopathic part or whether this is usually what I do, because your premise is totally flawed. Get wrecked, son.

And this feels like a wolf that is being told on. (Or me being biased, fuck).

While this is also true, it hadn't really been something you drilled into. You just kind of threw out there nonchalant like and went "I don't like his posts".

...Deja vu moment because I think that's how I summarized it in the later pages, hahaha.

Originally Posted by inDheart

when i've seen you push in turbos, you're dead wrong, so good to see nothing's changed

Take note that inDheart is actually getting mad here. (Feels like it).

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Wow, this is actually funny to me, Freezin. No, Gradiant, that's not why I backed off at all. Like I said earlier, I was pushing on him for pressure to test his reaction because I saw a very bad progression of "logic" in his posts, in the initial interaction with you. I highlighted that progression (attacking you for attacking Haku, backing off and going on the defensive when you push him back about it, then joining in on being critical/suspicious of Haku, when he was just attacking you for doing the same thing) to check out his response, because I wasn't too suspicious of him going in. I even voted him as a further push to try to get a clear, unfiltered response to being pushed, and the the tone of his responses made me think he was genuinely a town who didn't intend to come off the way he came off. He kept insisting he wasn't suspicious of you at all, and hence it wasn't "backing off", which I still refuse to believe and made a note of in thread and out. I then unvoted because I had gotten what I came for (his reaction, which seemed towny). I didn't want to push further than that on someone who, at that time, seemed towny to me, because he had already responded to the basis for my vote, and anything further in that vein would lead to groundless mudslinging with no actual supporting evidence that hadn't already been covered.

This is my third time explaining the same event, FreezinIce. I somehow doubt you didn't bother reading either of the other two posts and I doubt further that you, even for a minute, sincerely believed that I had backed off because I wanted to "cut my losses". It's crazy, but the more you try to reach for defenses, the scummier you seem.

Too bad I don't see that way, bucko. I agree with inDheart on this one. Freez threw a punch at Gradiant, Gradiant retaliated, Freez yelled louder, then he suddenly shifted his tone when he wasn't talking about Gradiant's vote.

YOU saw this. YOU latched on to this. YOU started questioning and pressuring Freez. Then you dropped it and went "lol, was just checking" and proceeded to make the most bizarro town read that later magically turned to null/scum. HOW THE FAK!?

I'm going to see what night has in store for you, bucko. Hope you're wetting yourself, because I bet the SK is gonna getcha.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

-sigh-
Okay, when someone accuses you of being wolfish for x reason, and your response is calling them suspicious and then citing the same exact reason, it's not called a mindmeld, it's called omgus. It's not a mindmeld because the two of you are NOT thinking the same thing at all. You're thinking opposite things. Proof being that only one of you are right.

Secondly, FreezinIce didn't debunk shit. He's been on the defensive all game, which he himself has noted, so much so that he "hasn't been scumhunting at all" because he got caught up in the argument.

Finally, can you see why your response to my read on you is only highlighting your scumminess? I made a deduction based on an ISO of your post, and your response has been garbage. Oh. My. God. You. Suck. Maybe actually put some damned effort into the game before trying to come at me with that weak shit..

Starting to sound a little bit like Freezin here like you got caught red handed, son. Is this game as easy I'm seeing it is?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Also, I shared exactly why I thought your game was shit so far, and why and when you were sheeping and when you were shitposting and when you weren't. Your response accusing me of sheeping other people all game included none of the above, contradicts itself because of the originality of my accusation against you, and is further invalidated by the entirety of my post history. Go ahead, do an ISO. My reads list alone crushes your argument. I don't follow shephards, I am one.

Yeah, okay, no, you're a wolf, hope SK gets ya, goodbye.

FUCKING WHERE DID INDHEART SHEEP AT ALL IN THIS GAME? EXCUSE-FUCKING-ME!?

inDheart - Wolf Lean x1.5
Hakulyte - Town Lean x4
R.E. Aryxi/_Zenith_ - Town Lean x2
Shadowolfe - 90% Sure Wolf
danceflashrevo - Town Lean x2.5
Gradiant - STRONG Town Lean
FreezinIce - 90% Sure Wolf
DaBackpack - Wolf Lean
Precarious - STRONG Town Lean
roundbox - Wolf Lean
botchi246 - Null
XelNya - WEAK Town Lean
juckter1 - Town Lean x2
mellonxcollie - WEAK Town Lean

[inDheart]

if shado is to be believed that he aggros as both/all alignments, i'm ok pushing him to scum sided now. i'm easily swayed by effort but he says it's not alignment indicative, and after his wolf game i'd buy that. he hasn't done much else to get in my good graces.

[Gradiant]

I didn't really care much when it happened but when the 'omg misquoting' argument came up regarding shado x freezin, the apparent missing context was just my arguments towards freezin but shado posting about them rather than quoting what I said. So a lot of the shado x freezin argument wasn't even new material. Was kinda just a bunch of rehashed shit with insulting, and then unvoting for no reason and immediately backing off

[Gradiant]

I also have not been liking how mellon's been posting, and the interactions between her and both shado and freezin have come across as awkward

[Charu]

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

What's funniest is that I'm sitting here waiting for inDheart to finish ISOing me in an effort to dig up dirt. The reason that's funny is that his intention spells it all out. He realized he "has to put in the work" to dig up dirt on me, so he's ISOing with that intention from the get-go. As town, ISOing posts in order to prove the conclusion you've already reached should never happen. You ISO to find more information, then make up your mind based on the information. It's even funnier because when I ISOd his posts, I went in thinking he was town, and ended up changing my read to wolf based on what I read. Doesn't that kind of tell it all, already?

Oooh, I can't wait!

HEE HEE HEEEE

Or, bucko, he could just be making sure he's reading you right and make a case while your sitting on your ass sprouting boast-y shit to take that dirty grin off your wolfy muzzle, bitch.

Originally Posted by Charu

I would be careful if I were you, bucko. I may not have read in depth like you have in his posts, but boasting about finding a wolf, when there's really nothing to even use hard evidence on, is pretty damning for yourself.

I would know, when I'm wolfing, I usually tend to be super hyper aggressive when I find something I can use to drill my opponents.

...Or I just bus, hee hee hee.

My own quote here is relevant, bucko. You're doing EXACTLY what I expect an aggro wolf to do. Boasting and proclaiming you found an easy peasy wolf.

But you're just a smelly wolfy fook yourself, aren'tcha, hee hee hee. How tragic.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I wasn't even slightly sure from his posts, I just thought it was a scumtell that he wasn't posting nearly as independently as he normally does. It's his reaction right now that's affirming it for me. Like, who the fuck ISOs someone's posts in an effort to dig up dirt as a response to being read scum? That's not something town does. His whole reaction just threw me the fuck off, but even then I paused and reconsidered before voting.

Besides, if I was wolf and wanted to be super hyper aggressive, the time for that would've been when I quoted that post progression of FreezinIce.

But he was, my dear friend. I know there's no way at the moment you can show me where he's sheeping because you're working in that gosh darn place with the food. But I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to find something that's even passable as "sheeping" because I sure as hell saw none of that shit from inDheart.

Originally Posted by roundbox

this game just feels like incredible white noise
As tomorrow is Friday and I'm done with a shitload of work, I will be able to make SICK FUCKIN READS OF PEOPLE

Keep in mind folks that one of your town reads is probably the SERIAL KILLER

also I hosted mafia for my students today, that was pretty fun

I know he's been posting as of late, did he ever get to this juicy thing recently and not during this page? Because...

Originally Posted by roundbox

nah, more @Gradiant and @DaBackpack
Gradiant is definitely not scum sided this game from what I've seen of the tone of his posts.

If I recall VERY RECENTLY he just labeled Backpack as town and he just said right here that Gradiant is town, so where's this "SK" read?

inDheart - Null?
Hakulyte - Town Lean x4
R.E. Aryxi/_Zenith_ - Town Lean x2
Shadowolfe - 90% Sure Wolf
danceflashrevo - Town Lean x2.5
Gradiant - STRONG Town Lean
FreezinIce - 90% Sure Wolf
DaBackpack - Wolf Lean
Precarious - STRONG Town Lean
roundbox - Wolf Lean x2
botchi246 - Null
XelNya - WEAK Town Lean
juckter1 - Town Lean x2
mellonxcollie - WEAK Town Lean

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by roundbox

nah, more @Gradiant and @DaBackpack
Gradiant is definitely not scum sided this game from what I've seen of the tone of his posts.

Reminded of this again because of Charu's posts, but was something in here a typo? From what it looked like, you posted me and dbp as the sk, but then you said I definately wasn't scum sided?

[inDheart]

very likely will be less active from now on, also at a party

i know i haven't made a vote but it will be in my mind to get back here. maybe it's just me being impulsive right now but if i voted right this second, it would be to press juckter to do sth before eod

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by inDheart

very likely will be less active from now on, also at a party

i know i haven't made a vote but it will be in my mind to get back here. maybe it's just me being impulsive right now but if i voted right this second, it would be to press juckter to do sth before eod

As long as you end up doing something. You've got to have at least one scum read you could vote on at this point

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Reminded of this again because of Charu's posts, but was something in here a typo? From what it looked like, you posted me and dbp as the sk, but then you said I definately wasn't scum sided?

scum = mafia
I'm just paranoid of one of my town reads being the SK since they can hunt wolves along with the rest of town
yeah, this makes me come off as more WOLFY by definition but I'm definitely not lynching these two

[Charu]

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Wait, was the point of this massive post, 90 minute ISO, and energy expended, all simply to tell me, "you look like a fool"? Because I see no mention of how any of this makes me look scummy..

Wow, talk about a wasted effort.

Sigh...

The point of his post spiel was showcasing that you DIDN'T have original thoughts. You never pushed with your own ideas, just the ideas from others.

For someone that made a huge ass post detailing how stupid it was for town to lynch you last game (and be reasonable about it), you're certainly not showing that same level of care right now with the way you're acting towards your "supposeded" easy bake wolf catch.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

To be fair, you havnt exactly made an airtight case for him being scum with your vote either. You just perforated him with word bullets.

I know that votes are versatile tools that can be used for all sorts of things so this usually wouldnt matter at all in my mind, but i felt the need to point out the double standard.

...And this is the part that my mind is exploding on.

Two strong wolf leans right here, and one of them is saying "you got bad info" to the other. Would two wolves do this publically? Are they attempting to create the sexy "they can't be the same team" thing so that one of them will come out as supposedly "towny" at the end?

But with the roles in this game, that's leaving a lot of that to chance, hmm...

Am I completely wrong with on these 90% wolf reads? If anything... I could actually pardon Freez actually... and go for Shadow since he's clearly been changing stances and it shows in the posts. All Freez is guilty of is yelling at Gradiant over and over and over while making sudden 180 switch in tones.

...

...

. . .

Fuck

And look at that, shadow starts going ham on inDheart.. and the funny thing about this big post full of boasty shit is that he displays ignorance to what inDheart was trying to tell him with his posts. And he brushes it off like it's inDheart ATTACKING him and not taking in what he's actually saying with his post links to quotes.

inDheart - Town Lean
Hakulyte - Town Lean x4
R.E. Aryxi/_Zenith_ - Town Lean x2
Shadowolfe - 90% Sure Wolf
danceflashrevo - Town Lean x2.5
Gradiant - STRONG Town Lean
FreezinIce - Wolf Lean x5 ??????
DaBackpack - Wolf Lean
Precarious - STRONG Town Lean
roundbox - Wolf Lean x2
botchi246 - Null
XelNya - WEAK Town Lean
juckter1 - Town Lean x2
mellonxcollie - WEAK Town Lean

[roundbox]

reading shadowolfe, I feel actually kinda sketchy about him

I'm only about halfway into the thread for his posts but he sounds more like a moderator. He's having conversations and interactions with people, but it doesn't look like he's really trying to dig into anyone's case and is instead just reacting in context.

oh a reads post

my posts are kinda w/e yet he rates me higher than botchi
botchi is so green right now dude
I can kinda see where you're coming across with your read in indheart
no clue about haku but you seem pretty confident and willing to defend him

all of his snipping back and forth with indheart is just ZZZZZZZZZZ inducing
it seems indheart is more emotionally invested in it but I do kinda see his digging into shado being fruitless is pretty odd considering he did it as a request for haku

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm liking botchi more after coming in and posting, but that's just off memory right now because nothing seemed suspicious to me there. Not much actual contribution still, but he's trolling in a genuine manner, and that seems like normal botchi to me.

lol
how were his first posts any different in tone??


I'm getting a wolf lean from shado I think guys