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View Poll Results: How do you feel about the fix for the avmiss glitch? | |||
I think it is a good idea | 157 | 80.51% | |
I think we should keep avmisses | 38 | 19.49% | |
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01-28-2008, 03:04 PM | #61 | ||
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
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Like Manti said, it will make the game a lot easier and each update to the game is making it more like stepmania. Eventually, we will have hands, quads, maybe even holds later on. The only difference is the steps to each song. AAA counts will go booming and so will FCs. Now it's going to be like, " Omg, you FC OMW! ok... like 2354 others have done it too. " or, " No way! You AAA Crowdpleaser! Nice, that song took me a while to AAA too... " I just don't like this at all. All this time spent whoring these " hard " songs and getting awesome scores, feeling like you did something impossible, feeling accomplished will be nothing anymore. I know that there will be new, way harder songs comming out like FGO week or something but it just won't be the same anymore. It kind of makes me feel like there's no point in playing anymore...
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01-28-2008, 03:09 PM | #62 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I just don't get one thing, the admins of this site are all ready to throw avg. misses out the window, but when approached to get rid of the backrounds that cripple the framerate of certain songs, they say no. That makes no sense to me.
Sure, I'm all for keeping backrounds like in Zelda and such where it does not affect the gameplay, but when you have levels like Delirium that are LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE because of it's backround, there needs to be something done about it. As for the original question, I am for it in theory, but dosn't it put a taint on all scores from here on out. What do we do with people like Shash, Nima and Bahamut who dont play anymore but accomplished great things. Sure, being inactive is your own fault, hell my avg. rank is way better than Shash's at this point, but we all know who's better. We can't let those people simply be forgotten. EDIT: You know what, after reading more I agree with manti and the others. EAGAMES put it best i think. Last edited by Cosmic M; 01-28-2008 at 03:11 PM.. |
01-28-2008, 03:27 PM | #63 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I must say I really wish they would keep this new game and the old one separate. Taking out avmisses completely destroys the feel of R1; while it is a nice feature and should be done eventually, it needs to be separate.
You know how there's going to be a separate 2nd and 3rd Style once 3rd Style is released? well they really need to do that now. Keep the "old" 2nd Style as is and leave it to be played as is, and have this 2.5th Style until 3rd Style comes out. But there's no need to destroy the game as we know it when the old game was going to be separate anyway.
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01-28-2008, 03:39 PM | #64 | ||
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01-28-2008, 03:41 PM | #65 | |
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01-28-2008, 03:54 PM | #66 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
It's really weird, I tried it out yesterday and got rank 8 on CP first go. Plus top 30 on GGC/Etude first go. It's gonna change scores for sure.
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01-28-2008, 03:55 PM | #67 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I disagree 100% with this. Fixing the avemiss bug should be treated just like any other bug. You don't separate the game just because a new bug is fixed. If that was the case, there would have been a separate score listing from back when noteskins weren't available on most songs. If anything, removing the avemiss bug improves the feel of R1, since the avemiss was NOT an intended feature. And it sure as hell shouldn't be treated as one.
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01-28-2008, 03:59 PM | #68 | ||
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Congratz Big Boss btw.
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01-28-2008, 04:04 PM | #69 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
Like I said before, they should get bragging rights over all of the new scores ("I remember when I did it way back when....") but setting up a completely different scoring system just so they can saves their scores is ridiculous. This can even be brought back to the noteskins, which are a relatively new feature that was always readily accessable in some of the older songs. Many people had problems reading files that weren't skinned properly...And the ones that could had an advantage over them. Then the day skins started appearing, scores immediately improved. Does that mean all the people that got their scores before skins should be saved separate just because of WHEN they did it? No...And that's why they weren't. The same thing should be applied here.
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01-28-2008, 04:07 PM | #70 | |
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They already said they were going to keep 2nd Style around after 3rd Style was released because the new game engine (which one of the specific aims was getting rid of avmisses) would render all of the old scores obsolete. Fixing this "bug" similarly renders every score on hard stuff obsolete. I just want the old system kept around seeing as how the complete overhaul of the game's defining feature (score-wise) will change the way the game is played. I'm not a hardcore oldschool guy (I love speedmods and I'm glad they're implemented into the game, e.g.), but this is a complete change in a different direction, and should be treated as such, not just as a bug fix. EDIT: Regarding noteskins: The noteskin changes did not affect the way the game was played. It affects how players see the arrows and helps them hit them properly, but if two players, one playing the non-noteskinned version and one playing the noteskinned version, hit the keys at the exact same time, they would get the exact same judgment. Now, if two people were to hit the exact same keys at the exact same time, one on the old version and one the new, they would not get the same judgment. This is why they should be separate.
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01-28-2008, 04:08 PM | #71 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
Jack syndrome forces you to hit an arrow when it is counterintuitive.
Removing said syndrome makes this more of a rhythm game and less of a "hit the arrow when it looks like it's at a certain point as to avoid getting a miss that you really shouldn't be getting in the first place" game. Personally, I like to hit arrows when my ears tell me to and I like that to match up with what I see on the screen. I feel that getting rid of avmisses strengthens the game, overall. Just wait to see the sims that start popping up because of this change. However, I do see the point of making older efforts obsolete and I'm not sure what to think about it. I mean, I'm not going to forget but people that start playing this game without avmisses won't know what the hell people are talking about...
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01-28-2008, 04:09 PM | #72 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I think the difference between fixing avmisses and "fixing" everything else (like blue noteskins, files out of sync, annoying videos, etc) is that the "everything else" category is full of things that technically function correctly. Sure, they may be cheesy, but they're not malicious to the game's functionality.
The avmiss glitch is. FFR never intended jacks (or even streams and chains, in faster BPMs) to do this. It's a part of the game the doesn't work and wasn't intended to be that way. Offbeat files may be offbeat, but Synth "intended" for them to be that way - that is, when he created them, that's what he could come up with at the time, and they still work correctly. You can still AAA them. You can still play the levels with videos. But not really levels with avmisses =/ |
01-28-2008, 04:10 PM | #73 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
Time to re-open the "next difficulty name" thread.
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01-28-2008, 04:12 PM | #74 | |
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01-28-2008, 04:13 PM | #75 |
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I think they should just start putting in songs like scarhand or disregard to counter this AV fix. Harder songs on FFR would be more fun for the pros.
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01-28-2008, 04:15 PM | #76 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I like it in terms of how easy it makes the game. However, I'm gonna suck compared to everybody else now.
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01-28-2008, 04:16 PM | #77 |
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Re: Goodbye Framers!
I fully support this update! Just like offsync stepfiles... they don't represent how the game is intended to be played. (compensating for glitches in the game)
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01-28-2008, 04:20 PM | #78 | ||
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So, what about the " godly ' inactive people like Shash and the others? Without saving scores and stuff, how will they be remembered?
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01-28-2008, 04:26 PM | #79 |
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They will be remembered with the people of the era. It's like with anything. Scores, the way things are played, and everything else eventually evolves. Sure it will be new at first. But think about it this way almost everyone complained about hitting average misses and about how much they ruined scores. Now so many people are complaining cuz they are gone. It's rather annoying.
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01-28-2008, 04:31 PM | #80 | |
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And concerning the "godly" people...What about them? As long as these forums exist, their legend lives on. I mean, we still reference people like Nima and Arch0wl and how many updates, new songs, and general new members have we had since there time? Games, much like anything else in life, move on. You can't expect them to wait for anyone.
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