"Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" - Page 4

**gnr61** · 09-22-2007, 10:33 PM

OK, so if 4-framers dont actually start until 225 BPM, then why do I always avmiss out the ass on songs like Cold Breath, Be Princess, Aztec (215 i think), SP (215), and BBRevenge (204)?

Sorry, just still a bit confused I guess.

**dore** · 09-22-2007, 10:38 PM

225=every 8th jack is a 4-framer
180=every 8th jack is a 5-framer
anything in between= mix of 4-framers and 5-framers

**gnr61** · 09-22-2007, 10:40 PM

Ok, so like the big long 8th note jumpjacks in SP arent ALL 4 framers. well that makes more sense. =)

blahblahblahblahblahblah · 09-23-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

Available patterns are limited on 160 BPM 24ths = OMW speed.

Yeah, I just noticed that.. which sucks cause now it's just repetitive patterns..

Quote:

Originally Posted by dore

You should try to avoid 12th jacks at 160 bpm (can cause 3-framers). But 8th jacks are okay, and 12ths would be as long as they're used in moderation (And the rest of the file is good). Don't just have a 24th stream with a metric ****-tonne of 12th jacks in it, because that's just retarded.

Lol, I don't even know if this file'll work anymore, xD.

**dean_machine** · 12-7-2007, 12:36 AM

I need help. I don't understand how to do the math, but I need to know how many frames are in between a 3/32th jack, like 1 32nd note short of an 1/8th note jack, on 140bpm. Sorry for the bump, but it's necessary.

**jimerax** · 12-7-2007, 12:45 AM

Yea we should note about 32/3ths(32th + 16th), they sometimes appear in 32nd streams.
For example, a pattern with a 32nd roll + a double always has a 32/3th at least.

If you use a 32/3th on a song that's over 168.75 BPM, it will be a potential 3-framer.

**dore** · 12-7-2007, 08:17 AM

I'll go back and calculate that sometime.

cyrx900 · 12-8-2007, 09:13 AM

Are 48th rolls on a stepfile going at 149 BPM a major problem?

**jimerax** · 12-8-2007, 09:24 AM

48th rolls = 12th jacks
Almost all notes will be 4-framers.

Only short one that goes with the music well is allowed.

**Xandertrax** · 12-24-2007, 12:44 PM

Ok, I'm not sure if this is what you were talking about earlier, but I need to know if this will create a 3 framer at 200 bpm.

**rshadow8888** · 12-24-2007, 09:54 PM

I think it will. Too lazy to do the math now though

**dore** · 12-24-2007, 10:27 PM

Yes, it has potential to make a 3-framer. See Rottel (which randomly has one 3-framer).

**Zageron** · 12-30-2007, 05:12 PM

Is this acceptable? Or will it cause 2.5 framers?
105 BPM This shows one beat. xD Also it's on x2 or x3.

**dore** · 12-30-2007, 05:14 PM

Yeah, those are OK up until ~170ish BPM. Those'll be 7-framers or something lol.

**Xandertrax** · 12-30-2007, 07:43 PM

Wait, 32nd jacks?

For 32nd notes:
45bpm = 5 framers
56.25bpm = 4 framers
75bpm = 3 framers
112.5 bpm = 2 framers
225bpm = 1 framers
450bpm = 0 framers

according to that, it'd be a mix of 2 and 3 framers...

**dore** · 12-30-2007, 07:44 PM

Those are 3/32nd jacks, halfway between 16th and 8th jacks.

EDIT: Wait, which post are you referring to?

**Zageron** · 12-30-2007, 07:50 PM

But, If I put those notes one after another, It would cause jacks right?

**Xandertrax** · 12-30-2007, 07:53 PM

Crap, I was looking at that wrong.

Nevermind. It would make jacks, yes, but it would not incite jack syndrome.

**stargroup100** · 12-30-2007, 08:11 PM

I find it amazing that people have trouble understanding and converting these values. It's all basic math.

Also you generally don't need this table, aside from the key pieces of information. You can generally figure out all the framers by estimation.

**dore** · 12-30-2007, 11:05 PM

I'm going to add something in simpler terms, instead of a giant block of info like it is now.

EDIT: Is that clearer?

I'll add 3/32nd notes some other time.

09-22-2007, 10:33 PM	#61
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 33 Posts: 7,251	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" OK, so if 4-framers dont actually start until 225 BPM, then why do I always avmiss out the ass on songs like Cold Breath, Be Princess, Aztec (215 i think), SP (215), and BBRevenge (204)? Sorry, just still a bit confused I guess. __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

09-22-2007, 10:38 PM	#62
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" 225=every 8th jack is a 4-framer 180=every 8th jack is a 5-framer anything in between= mix of 4-framers and 5-framers __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

09-22-2007, 10:40 PM	#63
gnr61 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: TOKYO STYLE SPEEDCORE, ohio Age: 33 Posts: 7,251	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Ok, so like the big long 8th note jumpjacks in SP arent ALL 4 framers. well that makes more sense. =) __________________ squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

12-7-2007, 12:36 AM	#65
dean_machine FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: inside the box Posts: 1,267	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" I need help. I don't understand how to do the math, but I need to know how many frames are in between a 3/32th jack, like 1 32nd note short of an 1/8th note jack, on 140bpm. Sorry for the bump, but it's necessary.

12-7-2007, 12:45 AM	#66
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Yea we should note about 32/3ths(32th + 16th), they sometimes appear in 32nd streams. For example, a pattern with a 32nd roll + a double always has a 32/3th at least. If you use a 32/3th on a song that's over 168.75 BPM, it will be a potential 3-framer.

12-7-2007, 08:17 AM	#67
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" I'll go back and calculate that sometime. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

12-8-2007, 09:24 AM	#69
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" 48th rolls = 12th jacks Almost all notes will be 4-framers. Only short one that goes with the music well is allowed.

12-24-2007, 12:44 PM	#70
Xandertrax om nom nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: CT/VT Age: 34 Posts: 1,495	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Ok, I'm not sure if this is what you were talking about earlier, but I need to know if this will create a 3 framer at 200 bpm.

12-24-2007, 09:54 PM	#71
rshadow8888 FFR's Buizel Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Connecticut Age: 33 Posts: 3,120	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" I think it will. Too lazy to do the math now though

12-24-2007, 10:27 PM	#72
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Yes, it has potential to make a 3-framer. See Rottel (which randomly has one 3-framer). __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

12-30-2007, 05:12 PM	#73
Zageron Zageron E. Tazaterra RRR Developer & DevOps Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BC Age: 32 Posts: 6,587	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Is this acceptable? Or will it cause 2.5 framers? 105 BPM This shows one beat. xD Also it's on x2 or x3. __________________ Help Develop FFR

12-30-2007, 05:14 PM	#74
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Yeah, those are OK up until ~170ish BPM. Those'll be 7-framers or something lol. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

12-30-2007, 07:43 PM	#75
Xandertrax om nom nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: CT/VT Age: 34 Posts: 1,495	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Wait, 32nd jacks? For 32nd notes: 45bpm = 5 framers 56.25bpm = 4 framers 75bpm = 3 framers 112.5 bpm = 2 framers 225bpm = 1 framers 450bpm = 0 framers according to that, it'd be a mix of 2 and 3 framers...

12-30-2007, 07:44 PM	#76
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Those are 3/32nd jacks, halfway between 16th and 8th jacks. EDIT: Wait, which post are you referring to? __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

12-30-2007, 07:50 PM	#77
Zageron Zageron E. Tazaterra RRR Developer & DevOps Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BC Age: 32 Posts: 6,587	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" But, If I put those notes one after another, It would cause jacks right? __________________ Help Develop FFR

12-30-2007, 07:53 PM	#78
Xandertrax om nom nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: CT/VT Age: 34 Posts: 1,495	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" Crap, I was looking at that wrong. Nevermind. It would make jacks, yes, but it would not incite jack syndrome.

12-30-2007, 08:11 PM	#79
stargroup100 behanjc & me are <3'ers Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,051	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" I find it amazing that people have trouble understanding and converting these values. It's all basic math. Also you generally don't need this table, aside from the key pieces of information. You can generally figure out all the framers by estimation. __________________ Rhythm Simulation Guide Comments, criticism, suggestions, contributions, etc. are all welcome. Piano Etude Demon Fire sheet music

12-30-2007, 11:05 PM	#80
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!" I'm going to add something in simpler terms, instead of a giant block of info like it is now. EDIT: Is that clearer? I'll add 3/32nd notes some other time. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw Last edited by dore; 12-30-2007 at 11:11 PM..

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