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Lupin_the_3rd · 12-9-2003, 09:02 PM

sorry arch, but you need to chill, it's no longer necessary to instigate VxDx to begin another argument when it was over a while ago

makaveli121212 · 12-9-2003, 09:04 PM

yeah because after all...

8============3 is me and...
(O) is arch

**Moogy** · 12-9-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Feuergeist

Simply portscan after you get the IP, if you dont find an open port, brute force one open, read the cookies, and you have his password. Quite simple.

Thank you, someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Oh, and you guys (VxDX and makavelinumbers) need to stop acting stupid. That's all I'll say.

makaveli121212 · 12-9-2003, 09:08 PM

what if you have no cookies

Arch0wl · 12-9-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by makaveli121212

i think arch is one of those ubernerds that always gets picked on at school, and gets his lunch money stolen, and then he lives his e-life taking out all his crap on everyone...what a troubled young nerd...

I don't have "lunch money" or "get picked on". I go to a Friday school and on monday-thursday I'm homeschooled. The way I act on the internet has nothing to do with what I act in real life.

VxDx · 12-9-2003, 09:44 PM

arch, perhaps you don't understand. You can think you win your arguements all you want, but it's not true. You get nowhere in your arguements and the reason you think you win is just because you are more stubborn than the other person, so they stop caring before you do. Just because the other person doesn't reply doesn't mean that you "win".

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Simply portscan after you get the IP, if you dont find an open port, brute force one open, read the cookies, and you have his password. Quite simple.

That is easier said than done when behind a router, not to mention that software firewalls detect portscanning and block that system from any access to any port.
This is also assuming that any anti-virus doesn't get a hold of an incomming trojan (that would be used to give remote access) and prevent the hacker from controlling the system.

Anticrombie0909 · 12-9-2003, 09:49 PM

VxDx, your comp can be hacked. End of story. Yes, it may not be simple, yes, they probably wouldn't care about hacking specifically yours, but it CAN happen. Enough already.

Privateer · 12-9-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

VxDx, your comp can be hacked. End of story. Yes, it may not be simple, yes, they probably wouldn't care about hacking specifically yours, but it CAN happen. Enough already.

I don't normally say this in response to something Anti says but, very well said. End of story is right.

MikeyFox · 12-9-2003, 11:23 PM

I go to a vocational school for computer networking.. i'll talk to a senior and give him the IP, see what he can do. and ip isnt location. ip addresses can be changed, therefor it CANT be location. using an ip address someone can figure out yer location by going to your service provider. but without consulting the service provider, having the ip address will do no good when trying to find location. IP addresses are like phone numbers. you can use it to find the address, but you need a phone book (service provider). but if you are yer own service provider, you wont be IN a phone book. so location really cant be found unless you use something like trace route, which rocks, btw. i have a visual trace route program, meaning i can type in an ip, then find out where in the world the ip is coming from, provided, of course, that yer service provider is willing to give out this info, which, if you are connected through any major isp, they will be willing. the only thing that has to do with physical location/address is mac address. mac addresses cannot be changed, but serve no purpose when trying to find out where in the world a computer is. and honestly, if you think you are safe behind a software firewall, you are blind and ignorant. even external hardware firewalls wont protect you enough. and routers may mask your ip address, but a router still has its own ip, and if you truely are a hacker, then you wouldnt bother trying to find that computer systems individual ip address, but rather use the routers broadcast address, and send/connect whatever you want to all the computers connected to the router. something a little safer would be a switch, but i doubt any of you would need or have a switch. and even that would be easy enough to get through. if you think you are safe, i suppose it's like they say in the movie the matrix, "ignorance is bliss", eh?

makaveli121212 · 12-10-2003, 05:44 AM

you do a lot of talking but im still not hacked yet

bballplaya · 12-10-2003, 05:57 AM

You can tell which ones Arch put there and which ones you put there.

insomniakxz · 12-10-2003, 06:03 AM

http://www.all-nettools.com/tools1.htm

this site includes a whois tool...for the windows users. On linux all you do is the /whois command in the terminal...i believe. You ip only changes if it is dynamic. A static ip address is always associated with the same computer. Usually, dial-up users have a dynamically assigned ip address, while broadband users generally have a static ip address. Anyone can be hacked, of course. It just depends on who the hacker/cracker...and how clever he or she is. Nothing is "unhackable."

Feuergeist · 12-10-2003, 08:26 AM

Just another note, that Static IP's can be changed. That way nobody gets confused.

Arch0wl · 12-10-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VxDx

You can think you win your arguements all you want, but it's not true.

Yes, yes it is.

I don't think you understand that I'm applying the same amount of arrogance you do to other people to out arrogant you.

Quote:

Just because the other person doesn't reply doesn't mean that you "win".

Actually, yes it does.

**87x** · 12-10-2003, 12:34 PM

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Just because the other person doesn't reply doesn't mean that you "win".

Sry arch.. i would have to agree to this statement.. i stop responding to maka because i got tired of proving everything he said against me worng..

Arch0wl · 12-10-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 87x

Sry arch.. i would have to agree to this statement..

And just because you agree to it, does not mean it's right.

**87x** · 12-10-2003, 01:58 PM

well you saying it does isn't really truth either.. were just going to have to agree to disagree on this..

Arch0wl · 12-10-2003, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 87x

well you saying it does isn't really truth either..

Yes it does.

**87x** · 12-10-2003, 02:37 PM

well alright.. its not worth my time to argue that i am right.. so i will just let this be..

VxDx · 12-10-2003, 04:29 PM

See, your stubbornness in this case make you look like an idiot. I'm right, you're wrong. Believe whatever you want, but I'm right, I pwn you, you are fat and nerdy, and you can't even argue well.

12-9-2003, 11:23 PM	#69
MikeyFox FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 415	I go to a vocational school for computer networking.. i'll talk to a senior and give him the IP, see what he can do. and ip isnt location. ip addresses can be changed, therefor it CANT be location. using an ip address someone can figure out yer location by going to your service provider. but without consulting the service provider, having the ip address will do no good when trying to find location. IP addresses are like phone numbers. you can use it to find the address, but you need a phone book (service provider). but if you are yer own service provider, you wont be IN a phone book. so location really cant be found unless you use something like trace route, which rocks, btw. i have a visual trace route program, meaning i can type in an ip, then find out where in the world the ip is coming from, provided, of course, that yer service provider is willing to give out this info, which, if you are connected through any major isp, they will be willing. the only thing that has to do with physical location/address is mac address. mac addresses cannot be changed, but serve no purpose when trying to find out where in the world a computer is. and honestly, if you think you are safe behind a software firewall, you are blind and ignorant. even external hardware firewalls wont protect you enough. and routers may mask your ip address, but a router still has its own ip, and if you truely are a hacker, then you wouldnt bother trying to find that computer systems individual ip address, but rather use the routers broadcast address, and send/connect whatever you want to all the computers connected to the router. something a little safer would be a switch, but i doubt any of you would need or have a switch. and even that would be easy enough to get through. if you think you are safe, i suppose it's like they say in the movie the matrix, "ignorance is bliss", eh? __________________ FUCK!! WHY HASNT ANYONE BOUGHTEN ANYTHING?! go here and buy my stuff http://www.cafeshops.com/ddarrows KFKari: JEWISH! SmarterChild: What\'s jewish? KFKari: you are. SmarterChild: I think you\'re jewish.

12-10-2003, 08:26 AM	#73
Feuergeist FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 869	Just another note, that Static IP's can be changed. That way nobody gets confused. __________________ Wer noch nie einen Fehler gemacht hat, hat sich noch nie an etwas Neuem versucht. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

12-10-2003, 01:58 PM	#77
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	well you saying it does isn't really truth either.. were just going to have to agree to disagree on this.. __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

12-10-2003, 02:37 PM	#79
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	well alright.. its not worth my time to argue that i am right.. so i will just let this be.. __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

12-9-2003, 09:02 PM	#61
Lupin_the_3rd FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,665	sorry arch, but you need to chill, it's no longer necessary to instigate VxDx to begin another argument when it was over a while ago

12-9-2003, 09:49 PM	#67
Anticrombie0909 FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,683	VxDx, your comp can be hacked. End of story. Yes, it may not be simple, yes, they probably wouldn't care about hacking specifically yours, but it CAN happen. Enough already.

12-10-2003, 06:03 AM	#72
insomniakxz FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: VA Posts: 302	http://www.all-nettools.com/tools1.htm this site includes a whois tool...for the windows users. On linux all you do is the /whois command in the terminal...i believe. You ip only changes if it is dynamic. A static ip address is always associated with the same computer. Usually, dial-up users have a dynamically assigned ip address, while broadband users generally have a static ip address. Anyone can be hacked, of course. It just depends on who the hacker/cracker...and how clever he or she is. Nothing is "unhackable."

12-10-2003, 04:29 PM	#80
VxDx FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,871	See, your stubbornness in this case make you look like an idiot. I'm right, you're wrong. Believe whatever you want, but I'm right, I pwn you, you are fat and nerdy, and you can't even argue well.

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