Song Corrections Thread

**arcnmx** · 03-27-2013, 12:28 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by noname219

I would like to know how much time it would take to calculate the exact length of every file. I mean, the total number of frames in each file. I'm doing it by hand right now and it's not accurate (+/- 2 sec.), so it only gives me an vague approximation.
Also, how are the length of the newer files calculated ?

Here you go, have a csv. http://pastie.org/private/qugdgkadaichnsebbtlk3q (which is lolbroken for songs with commas in their names)

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned but some of the rock-style video game remixes are under the Rock genre while the other half are categorized under Arcade. This should probably be made more consistent.

**noname219** · 03-27-2013, 03:10 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by James May

Danzai Yamaxanadu is correct as is, its just the english translation of that title (Just like Ass Anchor) but its your call on whether to use the translated name or the romanized name.

Glad to see that you're still in it though noname :3

Concerning romanized japanese titles, there's no rule atm (I don't recall bmah nor any other admin saying something about this), so I proposed the title that seems to be the most used. Danzai Yamaxanadu makes more sense because it's the correct romanized name of the original japanese name...
Thinking about this, I believe it should stay only for that reason. I leaved the proposition, but added a note.

I can image a rule concerning japanese titles : we should always use the original name, even if it's in japanese. Correct romanized title can be used if it's impossible to display japanese characters.
As for other language system (cyrillic, korean, chinese), original name is first, then a correct translated version if the characters cannot display.
For special characters (@, /, $, etc.), first the original name, then a modified version if the characters cannot display.

Originally posted by arcnmx

Here you go, have a csv. http://pastie.org/private/qugdgkadaichnsebbtlk3q (which is lolbroken for songs with commas in their names)

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned but some of the rock-style video game remixes are under the Rock genre while the other half are categorized under Arcade. This should probably be made more consistent.

That, is extremely useful... Thanks a lot.

EDIT : Gathered all the data and compared all the songs :

EDIT 2 : Btw, only 229 songs have the correct displayed length. 15%.

EDIT 3 : Made a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...aTXlHNGc#gid=0)

Concerning the genres, I think they are outdated and need a revamp.
Arcade itself isn't a musical genre (just like Misc or Dance) so, a lot of songs can be transferred to other categories.

There were some suggestions made last month, like using difficulties instead, but I do like the classic names. We could have a clean-up and add other song styles; breakcore, house, chiptune, IDM, trance or techno for example. We could even remove the Dance category.

EDIT : Btw I do like Silvuh's icons, but they should have only 1 character, to keep a unity between them.

**Xx{Midnight}xX** · 03-27-2013, 04:57 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by noname219

Concerning romanized japanese titles, there's no rule atm (I don't recall bmah nor any other admin saying something about this), so I proposed the title that seems to be the most used. Danzai Yamaxanadu makes more sense because it's the correct romanized name of the original japanese name...
Thinking about this, I believe it should stay only for that reason. I leaved the proposition, but added a note.

I can image a rule concerning japanese titles : we should always use the original name, even if it's in japanese. Correct romanized title can be used if it's impossible to display japanese characters.
As for other language system (cyrillic, korean, chinese), original name is first, then a correct translated version if the characters cannot display.
For special characters (@, /, $, etc.), first the original name, then a modified version if the characters cannot display.

That, is extremely useful... Thanks a lot.

EDIT : Gathered all the data and compared all the songs :

EDIT 2 : Btw, only 229 songs have the correct displayed length. 15%.

EDIT 3 : Made a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...aTXlHNGc#gid=0)

Concerning the genres, I think they are outdated and need a revamp.
Arcade itself isn't a musical genre (just like Misc or Dance) so, a lot of songs can be transferred to other categories.

There were some suggestions made last month, like using difficulties instead, but I do like the classic names. We could have a clean-up and add other song styles; breakcore, house, chiptune, IDM, trance or techno for example. We could even remove the Dance category.

EDIT : Btw I do like Silvuh's icons, but they should have only 1 character, to keep a unity between them.

Seriously, the genres of all these songs is 100% irrelevant and even as far as subjective (just because it is somewhere online does not make it a fucking genre, I'm sorry but this drives me absolutely mad what the fucking ass is cutie pop?)

Screw the idea of sorting by genre entirely. Sort it by difficulty, a way that actually makes some deal of sense and is significantly less subjective.

**noname219** · 03-27-2013, 05:23 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Seriously, the genres of all these songs is 100% irrelevant and even as far as subjective (just because it is somewhere online does not make it a fucking genre, I'm sorry but this drives me absolutely mad what the fucking ass is cutie pop?)

Screw the idea of sorting by genre entirely. Sort it by difficulty, a way that actually makes some deal of sense and is significantly less subjective.

I wouldn't mind seeing them sorted by difficulty. But, before changing the whole system, I would like to see a revamp of some sort.
Or what about a poll and see what's the consensus ?

About the song style, I agree, some of them are ridiculous (Esoteric Grunge comes to mind) and I think we can come up with better names.
Cutie Pop for example sort of represent the song style and the feeling even if it's not a real genre (cute and poppy sounds). Of course it's subjective, but we need to fill out that space anyway. Maybe Chiptune J-Pop would make a better genre, I dunno. If you have any good ideas.

**SC_coolguy44** · 03-27-2013, 08:22 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

I think the author for Unconnected. should be changed from t+pazolite to t+pazolite feat. Rizna (but it appears as リズナ on the discography).

The author for Indo no Sobaya (t+pazolite Remix) is RoughSketch feat. 臨界モスキー党 (which translates to (if I remember correctly) Rinkai Mosquito, which is a group that RoughSketch is in).
The song appears as 印度のソバ屋 (t+pazolite Remix) on the album but, I think since FFR doesn't use the Japanese text/symbols/language on song titles ingame, the title might be correct as far as translating goes.

For do i smile? it appears as Do I Smile? on the discography.

**noname219** · 03-28-2013, 02:48 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by SC_coolguy44

I think the author for Unconnected. should be changed from t+pazolite to t+pazolite feat. Rizna (but it appears as リズナ on the discography).

The author for Indo no Sobaya (t+pazolite Remix) is RoughSketch feat. 臨界モスキー党 (which translates to (if I remember correctly) Rinkai Mosquito, which is a group that RoughSketch is in).
The song appears as 印度のソバ屋 (t+pazolite Remix) on the album but, I think since FFR doesn't use the Japanese text/symbols/language on song titles ingame, the title might be correct as far as translating goes.

For do i smile? it appears as Do I Smile? on the discography.

do i smile? : I already took note of that.
I didn't look up for Unconnected. but thanks for letting me know.
For Indo no Sobaya, I noted the author should be replaced by "RoughSketch remixed by t+pazolite" but that was weeks ago. It might be possible it features Rinkay Mosquito (or Rinkay Mosu ki to ?), but I want to search more about this.

**SC_coolguy44** · 03-28-2013, 09:08 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by noname219

do i smile? : I already took note of that.
I didn't look up for Unconnected. but thanks for letting me know.
For Indo no Sobaya, I noted the author should be replaced by "RoughSketch remixed by t+pazolite" but that was weeks ago. It might be possible it features Rinkay Mosquito (or Rinkay Mosu ki to ?), but I want to search more about this.

Rinkai Mosquito shows up on the discography. That's why I brought it up. I know for sure RoughSketch is a member of Rinkai Mosquito, though.

**noname219** · 03-28-2013, 09:28 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by SC_coolguy44

Rinkai Mosquito shows up on the discography. That's why I brought it up. I know for sure RoughSketch is a member of Rinkai Mosquito, though.

What's weird is that the song appears on this album (track 9) and on this album (track 7) under the name "RoughSketch and 臨界モスキー党" (RoughSketch and Rinkai Mosquitou).
The only album I could find the t+pazolite remix version is on this album (track 11). So, in that sense, the artist should then be "RoughSketch & 臨界モスキー党 remixed by t+pazolite" ?

What I'm not getting is why credit RoughSketch if he's a member of 臨界モスキー党 ??

**SC_coolguy44** · 03-28-2013, 09:34 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by noname219

What's weird is that the song appears on this album (track 9) and on this album (track 7) under the name "RoughSketch and 臨界モスキー党" (RoughSketch and Rinkai Mosquitou).
The only album I could find the t+pazolite remix version is on this album (track 11). So, in that sense, the artist should then be "RoughSketch & 臨界モスキー党 remixed by t+pazolite" ?

What I'm not getting is why credit RoughSketch if he's a member of 臨界モスキー党 ??

That's one thing I was wondering as well. Track 11 on 108 Sketches is what I was looking at when I was questioning the change stuff.

**noname219** · 03-28-2013, 09:43 AM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by SC_coolguy44

That's one thing I was wondering as well. Track 11 on 108 Sketches is what I was looking at when I was questioning the change stuff.

Either way, if it's written like this on the record and the information comes from the artists, it's safe to change to "RoughSketch & 臨界モスキー党 remixed by t+pazolite".
It puzzles me why they did this in the first place...

Maybe RoughSketch took a much larger role than the other members of the band, I dunno.

EDIT : One other thing, I'm not sure how we should make the change is Silence v1 and v2.
The song was originally made by Sarah McLachlan, then her vocals were used by Delerium, then FFmusic Dj remixed the song... I'm thinking it should be "Delerium feat. Sarah McLachlan remixed by FFmusic Dj" or "Sarah McLachlan remixed by Delerium remixed by FFmusic Dj" ^^. For the moment, I leaved out Sarah McLachlan out of the equation because I wasn't sure how/if we should add her...

**Razor** · 03-28-2013, 02:05 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

I posted this so long ago and it still hasn't been changed:

Ingame Song Information - Flash Flash Revolution

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3820561&postcount=4364

it's even listed as so on Sharpnel's album

**Crazyjayde** · 03-28-2013, 02:26 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by Razor

I posted this so long ago and it still hasn't been changed:

Ingame Song Information - Flash Flash Revolution

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3820561&postcount=4364

it's even listed as so on Sharpnel's album

Hah, good find Razor, I remember finding this way back when we started the project. We were pretty surprised about finding it, since it's such a flagrant and stupid mistake. Actually, I believe it's on my verification list and not noname's, which is why it didn't get notified.
By the way, just as a quick note, the kanji is 世音 which can be interpreted as World Music/World Sound. Not sure as to what would be the romanization.

But hey, good news, I've got some time to continue the list tonight, I'll probably be updating with some new finds.
I'm happy to see people are participating much more in this than before, it's very motivating.

**noname219** · 03-29-2013, 08:11 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by Razor

I posted this so long ago and it still hasn't been changed:

Ingame Song Information - Flash Flash Revolution

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=3820561&postcount=4364

it's even listed as so on Sharpnel's album

Originally posted by Crazyjayde

Hah, good find Razor, I remember finding this way back when we started the project. We were pretty surprised about finding it, since it's such a flagrant and stupid mistake. Actually, I believe it's on my verification list and not noname's, which is why it didn't get notified.
By the way, just as a quick note, the kanji is 世音 which can be interpreted as World Music/World Sound. Not sure as to what would be the romanization.

The correct name for Zephon is 世音 (as confirmed on this thread). The romanization of 世音 is actually might be Zephon or Xephon and it can be translated to World Sound. On the cover, it's listed as 世音. I think it's correct as it is right now. I'll add a note anyway. (I just hope someday we could switch to the correct japanese titles)
Nice to know the original song is from RahXephon.
EDIT : cmon Crazyjayde, you're making my job 100% worse, I have to ask to someone that can translate Japanese...

I found something about Charlotte Summer that I'm not sure now :

Charlotte Summer -> Charlotte Summer remixed by Kyrandian
The song might be called Wish (Asiago Remix)...
(http://soundcloud.com/jihnsius/jihnsius-feat-charlotte)
But if you look up in the comments, you see Kyrandian say "Kyrn remix"...
jihnsius uploaded a version of the song Wish (Kyrn Remix), but it's not the same song :
(http://soundcloud.com/jihnsius/jihns...at-charlotte-1)
Is it a mistake or Kyrandian remixed it two times ?

Btw, letter J is done :

**qqwref** · 03-29-2013, 08:15 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by noname219

Charlotte Summer -> Charlotte Summer remixed by Kyrandian
The song might be called Wish (Asiago Remix)...
(http://soundcloud.com/jihnsius/jihnsius-feat-charlotte)
But if you look up in the comments, you see Kyrandian say "Kyrn remix"...
jihnsius uploaded a version of the song Wish (Kyrn Remix), but it's not the same song :
(http://soundcloud.com/jihnsius/jihns...at-charlotte-1)
Is it a mistake or Kyrandian remixed it two times ?

I think you'll have to ask them about this to resolve it.

Originally posted by noname219

Badinerie -> Suite No. 2 in B minor, BWV 1067, Badinerie

Please don't do this.

**noname219** · 03-29-2013, 08:34 PM

Re: Song Corrections Thread

Originally posted by qqwref

I think you'll have to ask them about this to resolve it.

I don't plan contacting any musician outside the website because it's very risky :

Originally posted by bmah

Be aware that there's a risk that artists of whom we've asked permission for long ago may not remember giving permission to FFR, and may force FFR to retract their songs if they somehow don't like their presence on this site. Same goes with featured artists due to CC or other common permissions of which we did not give direct contact. Even if these artists gave permission at one point or implied permission/non-issue, there's always a chance they will change their mind if you try to bring this site back to light. All in all, I think it's a risky prospect to ask every artist about FFR. I don't recommend it unless necessary. They might still recognize the site, or they might treat FFR like a complete stranger again. One very possible scenario: over the years, such artists may have since ended up on labels and may want to remain "safe" by not allowing permissions of any sort.

But, Jihnsius has a profile here, so I may send him a PM about this.

Originally posted by qqwref

Please don't do this.

Why ?

EDIT : Might have to do some more work on classical pieces, I have the feeling I didn't do it correctly.
Also, will probably propose the correct name in Japanese as well as the romanized version.

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