TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread] - Page 39

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

by POE if you're not a wolf then you're 3rd party because the way you've been playing doesn't feel at all like you're town. You've been throwing votes onto people really randomly and without any reasoning whatsoever and I also don't feel like you're putting in that much effort. You're making some reads but they seem pretty weak.

what stands out to me most is how weird your voting pattern is, if you could give some explanation for it then that would be great

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:10 AM

also lol @ all the people who throw insults around at me, if it's baiting for reactions it's not going to work. if it's genuine frustration then that's something else

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:11 AM

AA you suck bro, I guess I have a meta where I have to lead lynches. In a game with 3rd parties and wolves I'm pretty sure throwing votes around is not a wolf tell considering you could potentially be targeting a 3rd party or a wolf by making a case on anybody as a non town role. Sorry I'm at least thinking about where I want to end up, not making one of the worst votes of all time. Like that's actually a bottom 5 vote on me I've seen in my lifetime I think, not OMGUS but I'm having trouble believing AA is town

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:12 AM

AA could potentially be on a team with lurker

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

lol what no did you even read my post?

I didn't want to give my reasoning away yet because I wanted to see if I was mindmelding with anyone first off. I also didn't want anyone backpacking onto my argument right away, I saw no reason to give out more information than necessary at the time. by leaving out my reasoning behind it at first there's the potential to see some interesting reactions like "wtf why would you think that" or "that makes no sense, explain please", etc. if I put my reasoning in people can just agree/disagree right away and the reaction doesn't give much information at that point

Does anyone actually think like this as a villager? I mean seriously

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by j-rodd123

AA you suck bro, I guess I have a meta where I have to lead lynches. In a game with 3rd parties and wolves I'm pretty sure throwing votes around is not a wolf tell considering you could potentially be targeting a 3rd party or a wolf by making a case on anybody as a non town role. Sorry I'm at least thinking about where I want to end up, not making one of the worst votes of all time. Like that's actually a bottom 5 vote on me I've seen in my lifetime I think, not OMGUS but I'm having trouble believing AA is town

I didn't say your vote pattern was a wolf tell, I said it didn't seem to me at all like something a town would do. It didn't seem like you were thinking about where you wanted your vote to end up earlier in the phase

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by j-rodd123

Does anyone actually think like this as a villager? I mean seriously

I do and other people have pulled shit like this (sunfan in jtwg where I was wolf, zenith does this somewhat frequently) as town

if you want to use that as your basis for reading me as not town then lol

**_Zenith_** · 08-6-2015, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

lol what no did you even read my post?

I didn't want to give my reasoning away yet because I wanted to see if I was mindmelding with anyone first off. I also didn't want anyone backpacking onto my argument right away, I saw no reason to give out more information than necessary at the time. by leaving out my reasoning behind it at first there's the potential to see some interesting reactions like "wtf why would you think that" or "that makes no sense, explain please", etc. if I put my reasoning in people can just agree/disagree right away and the reaction doesn't give much information at that point

1) Why are you looking for mindmelds when it was way too early in the game and you only had a handful of players active at that time, not even considering that they either didn't have reads formulated yet because of time or had hot reads that differs from your reads?

2) Literally claiming that you breadcrumbed, nice.

3) If you were looking for specifically those reactions then wouldn't you have just outed your read and waited for the reactions to form instead of trying to push them arbitrarily and not helping your case?

Your reasoning behind creating a reaction test and what you tried to achieve seems extremely forced and not genuine enough to be considered not forced upon.

AA because he just fell into a good slump with consistency.

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by j-rodd123

AA could potentially be on a team with lurker

oh look another "read" with no reasoning behind it

**_Zenith_** · 08-6-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

oh look another "read" with no reasoning behind it

instead of saying this because first glance says this post is useless and didn't need to happen, how about you put reasoning behind your casting light on whatever it is you are reading because now it seems like you are explicitly withdrawing your reasoning for posts like this.

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by _Zenith_

1) Why are you looking for mindmelds when it was way too early in the game and you only had a handful of players active at that time, not even considering that they either didn't have reads formulated yet because of time or had hot reads that differs from your reads?

2) Literally claiming that you breadcrumbed, nice.

3) If you were looking for specifically those reactions then wouldn't you have just outed your read and waited for the reactions to form instead of trying to push them arbitrarily and not helping your case?

Your reasoning behind creating a reaction test and what you tried to achieve seems extremely forced and not genuine enough to be considered not forced upon.

AA because he just fell into a good slump with consistency.

1) because you had a very interesting series of posts and I wanted to see who was already paying attention

2) still haven't looked up what breadcrumbing means so irrelevant, if that's what happened then whatever but I can't try to breadcrumb intentionally if I don't know what it is

3) I did out my read, I just didn't out the reasoning. they're two separate things and it's laughably hypocritical of you to call me out on it when you do stuff like this all the time. Not necessarily this game but last jtwg comes to mind

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:17 AM

Show me where sunfan did this

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by _Zenith_

instead of saying this because first glance says this post is useless and didn't need to happen, how about you put reasoning behind your casting light on whatever it is you are reading because now it seems like you are explicitly withdrawing your reasoning for posts like this.

I just think it's funny that jrodd is calling me out for weak reasoning when he has posts like this all over the place

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:18 AM

aragaki

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:19 AM

Haven't you been saying never to lynch lurker this phase? Pretty decent reasoning imo

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by j-rodd123

Show me where sunfan did this

these two posts:

this one in response to me saying I'm town along with 327 and 333 and here

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by j-rodd123

Haven't you been saying never to lynch lurker this phase? Pretty decent reasoning imo

where did I say that? I remember voting him because he was asking to be lynched but I don't think I ever said anything like that, quote the post please

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:24 AM

Ok you said "obviously a terrible lynch if believed"

**AragakiAyase** · 08-6-2015, 08:26 AM

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Ok you said "obviously a terrible lynch if believed"

lol if you think that puts me on a team with lurker
if he's a hated towny then it makes no sense to lynch him, if he isn't then he's a solid lynch candidate

if you look at this post I said I'd be fine with lynching him if a better target didn't show up before eod

the only team we'd be on is town

**j-rodd123** · 08-6-2015, 08:27 AM

So you're trying to mimic things sunfan did as a villager? I still don't believe you consciously were doing that when making the posts. It's one of those things that's polarized to a wolf getting called out and not backing down on reasons for making the posts or a stubborn villager who doesn't want to admit no basis for their posts. Not everything in TWG is consciously posted for a reaction and people who defend their play like that is a huge wolf tell

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