MapleStory

[banditcom]

That made me lol.

[evilbutterfly]

I like how you've got tons of salads and hot dogs. I WONDER WHERE THOSE CAME FROM!!!

EDIT: AFRO, WHEN YOU READ THIS, YOU OWE ME MONEY! D:<

EDIT2: Chris will hate me for this, but:



I CAN'T HELP IT I LEVEL SO MUCH FASTER AND I WANNA PLAY MORE. I get 10% in like, 40 minutes. So that's like, 6hr 40min to level. O___o

[Bahamut-X]

GUYS

KEETO IS BACK IN BUSINESS. I REPEAT, KEETO IS BACK IN BUSINESS. I STILL HAVE SOME OF MY ARMOR LEFT TOO. REJOICE.


Obviously, I will need help getting back on my feet. Eb, I feel terrible all that stuff you gave me went to waste =( I'll make it up to you someday.

[TheAznLarry]

So guys, many people have said that WKs > Saders, since they can do about the same if not more damage. I did some calculations assuming 2000 base damage, every 6 hits. These calculations were based on my knowledge of only Panic for Saders
Saders:

(5 PS + Panic)
5(2.6 x 2000) + (17.5 x 2000) = 61,000 Damage Max

WKs, assuming Thunder charge (strongest) + elementally weak monster
6(1.25 x 1.5 x 2.6 x 2000) = 58,500 Damage Max
Fire charge (Most common)
6(1.2 x 1.5 x 2.6 x 2000) = 56,160 Damage Max

So, even with max thunder/max fire on elementally weak monsters, Saders still outdamage WK's by a couple thousand. But, I recently learned that crusaders get a 220% Bonus to their attacks when they use Combos. This means:

5(2.2 x 2.6 x 2000) + (17.5 x 2000) =92,220 o.O

Now, did I misread/miscalculate the damages? It seems unlikely that saders would do THAT much more damage (around 35k more), but I did these strictly on the percentages given by Hidden-street.

This makes me wanna go back to Maple Island, purchase a razor blade and cut myself dry.

[xDdRmAnIaCx]

Yay keeto!!!!!

Welcome back!

I'd help you, but I'm a level 24 mage

And cam, where the hell did you get all those healing thingies! All I have is a couple of red pots and a couple of blue ones

[TheAznLarry]

Congrats Keeto =)

Hopefully getting your items back won't be hard. lvl 50 stuff is pretty cheap =P

I have a lvl 40 shield that I don't need (two handed sworder), if you want it, just PM me.

[banditcom]

Originally Posted by TheAznLarry

(5 PS + Panic)
5(2.6 x 2000) + (17.5 x 2000) = 61,000 Damage Max

WKs, assuming Thunder charge (strongest) + elementally weak monster
6(1.25 x 1.5 x 2.6 x 2000) = 58,500 Damage Max
Fire charge (Most common)
6(1.2 x 1.5 x 2.6 x 2000) = 56,160 Damage Max

So, even with max thunder/max fire on elementally weak monsters, Saders still outdamage WK's by a couple thousand. But, I recently learned that crusaders get a 220% Bonus to their attacks when they use Combos. This means:

5(2.2 x 2.6 x 2000) + (17.5 x 2000) =92,220 o.O

Now, did I misread/miscalculate the damages? It seems unlikely that saders would do THAT much more damage (around 35k more), but I did these strictly on the percentages given by Hidden-street.

This makes me wanna go back to Maple Island, purchase a razor blade and cut myself dry.

1) You need to add the percentages, not multiply.
2) It's not 220% for every PS with combo. It only is on the 5th and every one after the 5th. So sometimes just the 5th, then combo. It's lower on the other ones. I don't know the %s off-hand.
3) The averages for WK are way better than the Crusader because of how much the Crusader could vary with panic.
4) A Crusader often does more "overkill" than a WK (which is why comp > tspear on ice/lit).

[Afrobean]

I have some level 40 warrior gear I think (a few overalls maybe). Keeto, talk to me in game and I'll check what I have. You might have to make due with a crappy weapon until 60 or so. I have a neocora that I can sell to you for cheap, so that should help, but you'd have to get to 60 first.

Noah: stop it. .

I'll be leveling today though. At least in my 80s I'll be leveling so damned fast it will be retarded (even faster than you DDDDDDDDDD). Actually, I might be able to cleric at GPW right now. With full HP gear and HB I'm almost positive I can take hits there. Are GPW the ones that shoot things or are they the ones that **** comes out of the ground on you?

And about the money: I almost have enough to pay back one of you. I should be able to have one of you payed back by the end of today. The other one will probably have to wait about half a week. Unless I get and sell something valuable (trying to sell my average redemption for 1 mil... no one seems interested).

[Squeek]

Bahamut - A word of advice. Change the PIN and the password on your account ASAP.

Everyone else - A word of advice. Lend him money once he's done with that.

His one-handed sword and scrolls for it are unbelievebly cheap.

~Squeek

[ddr_f4n]

woah woah woah! 310 pages?! this game must be very popular then.
im gonna play it rite now!

(how do u guys even hav such a big conversation and keep up with 310 pages of it?)

[evilbutterfly]

Damn, I was hoping they wouldn't sell the dex glove, since hardly anybody sells them and it seems nobody wants them. But uh, since you found yourself in free market, check your cash shop inventory. Maybe they bought you a shop permit to sell all your stuff and left it on your guy. =O

Larry: If you assume the highest damage possible for any class comparisons, things get a little muddy. Mages, for example, always have fairly low max damage compared to other classes. Their strength is that their attack formula makes them have really high min damage too, so that over time they do the same/more damage than others. Also, you're assuming that crusaders go Combo + 5 attacks + Panic every time, but they don't, same way WKs don't do a charge blow very often. Also also, you're forgetting both classes' buffs, which would prolly make crusaders seem better even more.

Oh, and Crusaders can't freeze enemies with ice charge, which, although weak, is helpful. And bandit, not all percentages are added. The elemental boost is definitely *150%.

EDIT: Level 10 explosion and it can hit for 3k on each monster. >=)

[Afrobean]

I died.

Must've lagged or something. I got the "oops ur dead but oh wait, here's the heal animation over your ghost-- it just came like 2 seconds too late to keep you from dying oh well LOL." Meh.

I probably won't be on a whole lot today. It would be one thing if I died of my own stupidity. Stupid deaths where the game malfunctions just make me not want to play at all.

And ckj, what the hell. I have one of those things accepted and like 16 waiting to be accepted from like 2+ days ago. How long does that **** take?

And noah: don't bother waiting for me at all. I'll catch up once I do GPW.

[ckj846]

O___O I got all of mine accepted. I think it was like 10 or so... It really depends on the ones you do. Like, the only one that didn't get accepted was the stupid cellphone one where they spammed you with like 5 msges... Dammit, and that one was 5$ too. Well, do the survey ones and the ones that you sign up for accounts that you will never use and they usually go through pretty fast. Sorry afro, not sure what else to say...
O_o

[Squeek]

Referring to Treasuretrooper?

I have like 20 or so verified. They NEVER work for me. I have had 100 fail so far. It's pretty lame.

Some take like 30 seconds to verity (check your e-mails), others never work. Some say for all the $0.50 ones, you need to clear your cache after doing each one. Makes sense. Just get another browser (opera) and do them all there.

Oh well. $15.90 coming my way soon. I can dig it.

~Squeek

[TheAznLarry]

Originally Posted by banditcom

1) You need to add the percentages, not multiply.

I think I read in the Page/White Knight guide that you multiply the numbers for charges. I dunno if the same applies to crusaders. I asked a friend and he said the crusaders' combo was slightly different than most calculated percentages.

And even if they were added, 2.6 from PS and 2.2 from combo is still 480%, stronger than max fire charge (468%). But I do get that the fluctuation on panic is probably huge, so that makes me feel a little better.

Keeto: If you need a dex glove, I think you should spend some time in Kerning. I think it's one of the PQ prizes, as I've bought at least 7 there for around 30-40k. I think the going price is up to 100k, so, either way it's a solid profit. Also, I still have my lvl 40 pants and top, which together will add you 6 str (4 str jangoon, 2 str pants). It's not much but it should allow you to train again (assuming you got a sword =P)

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

Well, I have a little more time now that school is supposed to be lightening up (not that thats really happening, but i'm slacking more than ever) I'm starting to play a bit more again. I could still really really really use someone's shop if anyone has one. I'll give you 50% of whatever you sell my stuff for. I don't really need money since I don't play that much, but I figure that it would help a few people out.

ig - IrishZero

[Bahamut-X]

AZNLarry, some reasons why I prefer WKs over Saders:

- Ice charge is the shiz cause you can freeze stuff easily. Bains with a maxed ice charge is awesome.

- Damage is incredibly stable. I saw a vid of a lvl 82 WK doing around 5k-8.5k. Crusaders at that level would be something like 3-4k with like a 15k panic mixed in every so often.

- It looks cool when you activate the charges.

- It gives your sword a little flame/ice/thunder animation when you swing.

- I personally think White Knight sounds cooler than Crusader.

And guys, I hate to ask for money, but if there was ever time I was in dire need, it's now.

[Afrobean]

I'd loan some money, but I'm 5 mil in the hole already haha.

And about paying you guys back: sorry. I didn't get as much play in as I was expecting. One of you will get payed back tomorrow I think. The other will have to wait.

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

bahamut, i'd give you money, if i had any . just like i gave you that full armor set

ps lvl 28

[emccky]

bahamut, i'll go on my char tomorrow and hook you up with a mil.. still gotta fund my guy ;P