Is it wrong to be gay?

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

If God exists, then it's wrong. If God doesn't exist, then it's not.

So let's just prove that God exists.

Come on guys...

[devonin]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

You'd have to prove a lot more than just existance for God, to use that to conclude that homosexuality was wrong.

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

You're right, but if God exists, can we prove Him wrong (he believes being gay is "wrong," right?)?

Also, let's start with proving that God exists, and then we can move on to the other topics lmfao

[ichliebekase]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Prove God exists. <-- May never truly happen.

Translate the bible to ONE universal translation. <-- This will never happen.

Life is an opinion. It's different for everyone.

[Kilroy_x]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Translate the bible to ONE universal translation. <-- This will never happen.

Also, prove God wrote the Bible. Huge uncritical assumption. If I were a theist I would be more inclined to think the devil wrote it, considering how much hatred and misery has been caused by the Christian religion.

From a Darwinian perspective, it is naturally wrong to be gay. ("our only goals in life are to procreate")

Nature contains no right and wrong, it only contains matters of fact. From an evolutionary perspective, being gay decreases the chances of reproduction for a given animal. It does not decrease the chances of reproduction for a given species though, at least not in any form in which it is actually found in nature. Is it wrong for a specific animal not to reproduce? For that matter, would it be wrong if an entire species didn't? Well if it is, it's not because of evolutionary theory because evolutionary theory is a description of reality and not an ethical system. Good work getting the two mixed up. By which I mean something much crueler which I probably couldn't get away with posting.

But I would mean it.

Is it moral to cause harm to yourself?
Is it moral to cause harm to others?

Maybe and no. Anyways, homosexuality and even "homosexual acts" don't do either of these.

[ichliebekase]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Also, prove God wrote the Bible. Huge uncritical assumption. If I were a theist I would be more inclined to think the devil wrote it, considering how much hatred and misery has been caused by the Christian religion.

Good point, never thought of that actually. To be honest, I never thought of who actually did write the bible. Very nice point, respect given.

[dore]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Just hypothetically:

It is a pretty big assumption, but (and this is just an opinion) if you could prove or disprove the existence of a specific God you could probably extrapolate to figure out whether or not the Bible was the writing of God channeled through humans.

[Kilroy_x]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Just hypothetically:

It is a pretty big assumption, but (and this is just an opinion) if you could prove or disprove the existence of a specific God you could probably extrapolate to figure out whether or not the Bible was the writing of God channeled through humans.

Well, if you could prove the existence of the biblical god then of course it would follow that the bible was the word of god. That would be an oddly extremely specific sort of proof though. Considering the difficulty in finding proof of any variety, even abductive, for even a supernatural occurence (let alone a specific supernatural occurence). I mean, hypothetically speaking looking at an Eldritch Abomination causes madness, but clearly issuing admonitions against the danger of this is a waste of breath.

[Dorby]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

And clearly all the passive-aggressive sarcasm makes you all look like very rational and reasonable people.

This post isn't on topic. If anything, it's a catalyst for more off-topic comments.

Being gay is not a choice. It is part of who you are, and should not be viewed as right or wrong. This thread is a mockery. What's next? "Is being black wrong?"



p.s. - Cenright might want to read the fallacies sticky.

[devonin]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

You'll notice that the OP wasn't suggesting it was wrong to be gay or even that there was any basis to assume that being gay was wrong.

The actual opening statement of the thread was "I'm gay, and I simply don't understand where the people who have a problem with that are coming from, please, explain to me why you think being gay is wrong"

ie. The dissenting opinions you're taking as a horrible affront were specifically asked for -by- someone who is a part of the group the opinions are directed against.

Further, while a great deal of evidence suggests that there is a large genetic componant to homosexuality, that's not actually something that has been -proven- or at least, it's not been proven that 100% of all homosexuals were born that way and have no choice in the matter, and that nobody chooses or develops that way later in life.

[Chrissi]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

You guys are arguing this very strangely.

I am a huge gay rights person and have tons of gay friends and have been involved in gay culture including going to pride, etc, for years. And yet, I don't believe that people are "born" gay or that there is a gay gene. I believe it's a combination of genetic predisposition and environment (the way you grew up and the culture/family values/etc) that makes someone gay. Of course people don't choose to be gay, but don't take this to mean that they must be born that way. The "It's genetic/it's a choice" binary way that most people seem to be looking at it is a false dichotomy. They are not born that way, and it's not a choice.

Nobody has found a gay "gene". Show me where. And nobody is giving very good arguments as for why being gay MUST be innate and can't possibly be bred into someone through the things they are exposed to and the way they are treated growing up.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0&feature=player_embedded

[ffraxis]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

I don't know

IS IT WRONG?

what does it mean?

[kommisar]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

I always believed being gay to be more of a preference to a type of person, not gender. It just happens to be the same sex!

[Kilroy_x]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

I don't understand why people think genes are the only thing that causes anything biological to happen ever =/