MS Guild Business

[banditcom]

Originally Posted by banditcom

ROFL yea I love giving out my password, which is why I had to change my password on every place I have my name registered to something else, as I could not change my password on MS (since I entered gibberish for the secret questions). However I could in fact have MS send me a gibberish password in replace of my current one at anytime (that's what they do for the forgot your password.. change it to some gibberish and send you that one to your registered email). Of course, I didn't know this until after I had changed all my current registrations... XD

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by banditcom

That had nothing to do with continueing to share your account with more people. It's just an account of what you went through to allow you to be able to share your MS account without worrying about other accounts.

[-Fallen-]

Originally Posted by ghost_of_eb

Robby, the fact that you still can't understand why account sharing is a concern to everybody continues to boggle my mind. Sometimes you just really don't get things that are just so obvious. You seem to have a warped perception of....well, damn near everything.

I know everyone is whining about it because it's called "cheating" in a way and it's unfair for other players but that doesn't make sense. The obvious thing is that your character is based on how much you play and whether Pat helped Jason or not he'd still be in the late 60's and hitting 70 soon anyways. To me at least, sharing the account means nothing. Give me 1 good reason why you find it unfair for them to share an account? The game is not meant for competition..It's NOT a game to see who can hit level 1xx first. It's to have fun. I don't understand what's so bad about having a really high level friend either. It's awesome, plus they are both cool people and don't suck at the game.

Anyways it's obviously a little hatred blended with some jealousy or else if Jason would of never mentioned anything you would of never knew he and Pat agreed to concentrate on one char. Give it up. We're supposed to have FUN, not argue about how Jason's character is so high leveled and it's unfair for everyone cause it REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

[banditcom]

Note the sarcasm from "ROFL yea I love giving out my password".

And can't you put a few things together? Robby and Pat are best friends. I became good friends with both of them through Skype, both while out and while in MS. Thus, trust was built. One day Pat asked about it. After a few days, I let him join in. I had trusted him enough, sort of, but what allowed me to was knowing Robby as well. It wasn't for like 5 levels until Robby wondered if he could play sometimes too, for something different. Yea, that's fine.

It's a circle of trust. We all know each other's logins, passwords, and pins for the game.

[-Fallen-]

Yeah I also take care of a lot of Jason's basil trades too during the middle of the night when people are loging in from like Austria and crap and neither of them will be on til the weekend to do it. So that's fun too

[ghost_of_eb]

Robby, you're still missing the point completely. Nobody is whining about banditcom being higher leveled. We're discussing it because if we elect him to be leader, we're effectively electing THREE people to be leader of the clan. That means 3 totally different people we might possibly have to deal with for guild stuff. I know Jason, I trust Jason, I think he'd be a fine leader. You and Pat, I'm not sure about. If Jason didn't share his account, I'm almost sure that he would have all of Afro's votes and maybe more.

The reason I voted for Afro is because I know him VERY well. He's basically my best e-friend. I don't know Jason as well, but in terms of MS he seems a bit more willing to show up and level with you. Afro, on the other hand, seems more willing to give stuff that he finds away to people who need it (not to the degree that I do, but yeah). Jason, however, does have the advantage of not getting grounded for bad grades and possibly losing his ability to play MS, and the fact that several people play the account mean that if one gets tired of the game then the others will still be there to act as leader. banditcom is definitely the more stable choice, but I still can't bring myself to vote for him based solely on the 1/3 of his account that I know.

To conclude, I think what your problem is that you can't look at things from other people's viewpoints. First, you seem to not realize that for some people, this game IS about who can get to the highest level the fastest. That's why they will eventually implement the ranking system. Second, I don't think anybody here hates Jason. I had my little fit over some things he and Jeff said, but that's all in the past now. And third, as far as jealousy, maybe for some people. I mean, I wish I didn't get bored with the game (and I wish I had a freaking mob attack ughhhhh) as much, cuz if I had the patience to grind for extended periods like Jason has, I would probably be closing in on the 3rd job advancement right now. And I don't think anybody is any more jealous of him than they are of Afro or myself for being high leveled. It's not really a big deal, it's just time spent in the game, and frankly I can't spend that much time in the game because it gets boring eventually.

[Afrobean]

getting grounded for bad grades and possibly losing his ability to play MS

My schedule is such that it would be nearly impossible for me to get bad grades.

Although I do have a D+ or so in Law, that will be about a B by the time I do all the makeup work.

And my schedule next semester will be something like

1. web page design
2. CAD class
3. computer class at tech school

I might swap out web page design for an independent study Japanese, just because I don't like not having a class of that and I don't like forgetting.

Basically though, all easy fun classes, so no bad grades at all.

Anyway, yea I definitely would be perfectly fine with Bandit if he was the only one on his account. I have no problem with Jason personally. Just some things he does.

[-Fallen-]

Originally Posted by ghost_of_eb

To conclude, I think what your problem is that you can't look at things from other people's viewpoints. First, you seem to not realize that for some people, this game IS about who can get to the highest level the fastest. That's why they will eventually implement the ranking system. Second, I don't think anybody here hates Jason. I had my little fit over some things he and Jeff said, but that's all in the past now. And third, as far as jealousy, maybe for some people. I mean, I wish I didn't get bored with the game (and I wish I had a freaking mob attack ughhhhh) as much, cuz if I had the patience to grind for extended periods like Jason has, I would probably be closing in on the 3rd job advancement right now. And I don't think anybody is any more jealous of him than they are of Afro or myself for being high leveled. It's not really a big deal, it's just time spent in the game, and frankly I can't spend that much time in the game because it gets boring eventually.

Well you and I both know it's a game. So whether you like it or not people share and you can't stop it. I SEE and UNDERSTAND your point of view but it still is very stupid. Of all people though to be dissed by Jason, I should be near the top.

Again though, if there's no jealousy or hate then stop bringing up the account sharing thing. I'm NEVER on Jason's account and it doesn't matter if Pat shares it and you don't like him or know him well cause he won't do nothing to the clan. You think Pat gives a shit for the guild really? I really don't think so or else he would of posted and told everyone off a while ago. He only plays to play the game. So relax and just end the account sharing thing.

[banditcom]

Poopy. ^_^

[OniSplitter]

Ugh... this guld is going to be a mess if people keep acting like this. And as a matter of fact, since age has somehow become a factor in this, I just want to say this. I am 15 years old, and it seems like I have been the only one here yet to get into an arguement... some maturity. (I don't know if tokzic has gotten into an arguement yet, I haven't read every word of this nonsense) This thread was made for a reason, to ELECT someone as leader, not argue about how so-and-so is better than someone else because he did this-and-that. I'd say everyone shuts up and lets people vote. As for leader, I don't really care anymore, if I get leader then everyone else will just be mad because they didn't get it, and the anger shown here will linger and be present in the guild. Leading a guild of people who are constantly arguing is more of a hassle than not being in a guild at all. And so, I'm stepping down because it seems like it will cause less arguements. Besides, about the only reason I have been voted for so far was because of my level which isn't really flattering... If you guys decide to stop arguing let me know about this guild, until then, I will be checking out my options of another to join.

Thank you for reading...

[banditcom]

You can't even hit slimes... What good are you?

XD

[emccky]

with the way this is looking I don't really think I'm going to join either. That isn't final, so don't take my vote away from Jason.. I'm just saying this is fucking retarded. You guys are making SUCH a big deal out of this. It's not like we're electing the president of the fucking USA. It's whoever's gonna be the guild leader. I remember reading in one of Oni's recent posts that being guild leader you will get: A little respect, very few privaledges, and the title. And you guys are fighting over that?

[Squeek]

Unless gMS disabled it, the Guild Leader also gets 5% of the funds from anyone who picks up money in the guild to help pay back the guild fees.

So, now you're banking on TWO unknown things. The Guild Leader and 100 fame, and the 5% funds.

~Squeek

[Afrobean]

And you guys are fighting over that?

Not really. Noah and I are backing up our opinions that we'd rather not have a shared account as the leader and others are seeing it as being pissy.

You guys make it sound like arguing is bad. Arguing, aka talking about an issue and backing up your opinions on the topic, is actually good, so long as people don't go overboard. It's not like Noah and I are sitting here going "RAWR JASON IS A POOPY HEAD I DON"T LIK HIM HE SHUDN"T BE LEADER" We're stating our opinion and backing it up, and in doing so, are trying to convert others to our thinking.

Really now, I don't want to be the leader so much as I don't want Banditcom to be (like I said, I have no problem with Jason and I'd even support him, but I don't know the others).

Ok... ok. Jason, just tell me that you won't let people in your account without AT LEAST telling people beforehand and allowing us to try to dissuade you if it's someone we'd rather not have unlimited power over the guild. I mean, that's basically my idea (that people said was bad because someone could sabotage) without the check to the sabotage at all. Basically, if someone wanted to ruin our guild, all they'd have to do is get Jason to trust them and say "hay man lemme play your char." I'd really rather not have that happen.

If you agree to that, I'll back down completely and speak of this fiasco never again.

EDIT: in the mean time, I'm changing my vote to Afrobean since Oni seems to have backed down.

[ghost_of_eb]

I don't see why you guys all keep acting like we're acting stupid. All I'm doing is voting and stating my reasons. Other people are saying things to try and counter my reasoning and persaude me out of my vote, and I'm countering it with more explaination of my reasoning. Nobody is fighting, nobody is whining, nobody is making an overly big deal out of any of this. Well....the main people posting here aren't. A few of you have come along and whined and cussed a bunch (you know who I'm talking about) and acted like if your guy doesn't get it it's the end of the world. For the most part, though, we're just discussing it in an aggressive manner.

I dunno, maybe it's because Afro and I have played lots of TWG, cuz we're doing about the same style of posting and voting as that to do this. No hard feelings or anything, just voting for who we want to win and then backing up our vote with reasoning. If you want to think of this as a pure election, think of our posts as campaigning for our candidate. In the end, it doesn't really matter, since the guild leader can't really do much of anything, so obviously none of us are getting too heated in our debates. Honestly I don't see why some of you are taking our debate so seriously.

banditcom is at the center of why we're debating, and look at how he's taking it. This is not serious, and nobody here is seriously getting upset about this except for those of you who are all like "OMG GUYS STOP ARGUING WTF!!" You guys need to chill, we're just talking here.

PS: I'm too lazy to edit the first post right now lolz.

[Tokzic]

I started typing up a post but realized EB's pretty muched summed up my feelings. You guys don't need to bust out a "STOP THE HATE" speech, we're all even-headed about this and joke about it in-game.

So I'll use this post to request the title be changed to "MS Guild (srs) Business" in the interest of humor.

[banditcom]

WHY ARE ALL OF YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? JESUS CHRIST.

Afro/Noah: You keep repeating your sides over and over and over again... wtf? At first it was fine.. Now you're acting like you guys are being all defensive and crap... just stop.. -_-

That goes for everyone. Jeeze...

Notice how I stopped a LONG time ago at "no hard feelings".. but then I'm being pulled back in by Afro and I keep having to repeat myself because he keeps stating his same concerns.

WHY WOULD I LET ANYONE ELSE ON MY ACCOUNT? AM I RETARDED? NO. NOW DROP IT. For Christ's sake...

[Omeganitros]

So, can I lock the thread yet or what?

[Afrobean]

I'd say so. Even though Bandit said it in a very harsh way, he did say basically all I needed to hear.

Bandit will be leader. Arbiter, etc. will be ranks. And we can decide on emblem in certainty when/if it actually becomes an issue.

And anyone else who wanted to join, but didn't post saying so and isn't on the master list can simply be added in game (by bugging bandit like 24/7 LOL). Yea, have fun with that, bandit.

[banditcom]

:P

I really want to have an FFR night on Monday after we get all settled in... But it will have to be before and/or after 24.