i want to make one more pack but i might need some help

[ScylaX]

Originally Posted by spookymagician

No offense intended. However, wouldn't you agree the older generation music was better?

edit: Then again, maybe I am bias because of now these days, most musicians, use digital sounds instead of real instruments to make music. I know there still are some that use real instruments but still... I like older music compared to newer stuff. (with a few exceptions.) My favorite style would have to be disco/swing. Some of the best songs came out of this genre. (IMO anyway.)

Not that I was offended but I just thought you were actually ironical for two reasons.
First because I mistrust any speech that consists of saying "It was better before" because of how caricatural it is to my mind (you're mainly carrying favor to something you come from/something you know ahead something you aren't coming from and whose you're prone to focus more on what's negative/different instead of what's obejctively positive. Naturally that means you're also prone to focus more on what was positive instead of what was objectively bad about "older music").
Also, not using "real instruments" may not be so much of a negative point on the aesthetical ground. What makes music good isn't simply "using true instruments", there is a huge part lying in the sole fact of composing harmonies and melodies and all that mess y'know, it's something related to the "idea" and not mere acoustic sensations. This is what differentiates a moving piece played by terrible midi soundwaves from a bad tune played by real instruments.

Second because I have troubles associating what you said with what happens in our community (and that's the important part!!). I don't even think that's the problem at all. People are stepping a wide variety of genres from a wide variety of eras and that hasn't changed a bit since... 2007 ??? We haven't stopped improving since the beginning.
I have a hard time figuring how "music these days" and the fact "New song packs are slowly dying/barely being updated/take a while to make" are relevant or even related.

I don't think the problem is about whether or not things were better before but about what you ignore and what you actually know of the thing you're talking about (current community and today's music).

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by spookymagician

No offense intended. However, wouldn't you agree the older generation music was better?

edit: Then again, maybe I am bias because of now these days, most musicians, use digital sounds instead of real instruments to make music. I know there still are some that use real instruments but still... I like older music compared to newer stuff. (with a few exceptions.) My favorite style would have to be disco/swing. Some of the best songs came out of this genre. (IMO anyway.)

edit: Mmm... I am kinda going off topic though here... As for this topic goes, I wish he would make the pack. However, it seem he is not coming back? (disappeared so it seems.)

~ SpoOkyMagician

wipe the nostalgia from your glasses

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by spookymagician

It's kinda sad really but true. (AFAIK anyway) New song packs are slowly dying/barely being updated/take a while to make... Personally, I blame the current music generation. (Don't like to admit it but, in reality it's the truth.)

~ SpoOkyMagician

What music is being made nowadays has nothing to do with how packs are being made and how long they take lol what are you talking about.

[Arch0wl]

there is a huge promotion aspect involved with packs that everyone neglects to talk about explicitly

I've released packs that pretty much no one plays because I've promoted them zilch

note: videos count as a form of promotion, as do posting scores

[SpoOkyMagician]

Nevermind... I tend to over think things a bit... If you can comprehend what I was thinking... you might understand what I meant... Maybe... IDK...

edit: Not gonna even attempt to explain either... It's a waste of time.

~ SpoOkyMagician

[Rebirth0]

Everybody thinks music/movies/tv shows/anything from the past is better and higher quality than present time media. It's what you grew up with. What era media do all of our parents like the most? 1980s.

The reason packs are slow moving is because there are so many of them. I bet I can look in Simulator Files and find 6 - 8 packs going on

Suggestion: Do moderation over packs similar to how the tournaments are moderated and approved/rejected in the FFR Tournaments subforum. And also only allow 2 - 3 packs per 3 months to be open

[Izzy]

Kind of hard to do that since there is nothing to say people can't make files and do what they want with them.

[Rebirth0]

Single releases are fine and can always be posted anytime, but if packs are limited, those few active packs at the time will get more submissions and be completed quicker so everyone can move onto the next pack.

In theory.

[Gundam-Dude]

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

but if packs are limited, those few active packs at the time will get more submissions and be completed quicker so everyone can move onto the next pack.

In theory.

a pack is only as active as the person who runs it, updates it regularly, and promotes it (to a certain degree).

if you fall short of doing any of the above, it's no wonder so many packs are never finished. for every pack I've done, I've never had to ask for submissions, they come in right through the door because I do all of the aforementioned.

if you don't care about your own pack, why should anyone else?

[SpoOkyMagician]

I just have a... unique perspective/view on music... (However, I have a unique view on everything...) Let me try to explain my thinking a bit...

Back in the old days, you had to use real instruments to create music. At that time, while it was not a new concept, it was becoming popular at that time. Having something 'new' people tend to get... extremely creative. A perfect example is all the inventions we had back then. Now that technology has advanced, we have had music for so long, music tends to ...blend with other songs/music... I had this discussion in school before... Not going into it... The point being is, you can only do something so much/new... Therefore... (This may be the confusion comes in because this is my opinion that I feel is true but not exactly...) You tend to not have anything creative/new in music. Sure, it's impossible to not repeat something/reuse something else. This would cause a lot of people to use old songs but with just new steps. So, with the lack of something creative/new, this tends to cause the questions... "What song should I use? This has already been stepped before... or, this song reminds me of... <X>. I don't want to step this..." While this is not true; to me, it feels like it is...

I hope this explains a bit... It's probably just going to confuse you even more...

edit: Damn, ninja'ed lol...

edit: My brain hurts now... (lol jk) But I gtg so, I'll leave it be here.

~ SpoOkyMagician

[Snowcrafta]

Kilgamayan's B.B. Evolution is a requirement

[kommisar]

overhyping packs works too even if they suck


see qed packs

[SpoOkyMagician]

...Look, this is getting WAY off topic... I am sorry/regret I even said it... Just forget I said anything...

~ SpoOkyMagician

[Snowcrafta]

Egg man should be required to have Quasar and One More Lovely

And 12ths OML required

[Staiain]

Please keep it on topic, if Snapps are busy with IRL stuff and whatnot there isn't much to do other than wait to see if he appears again and post an update or let this thread die. No place to discuss musical taste, please do that somewhere else.


@ Rebirth it's hard to approve/disapprove pack ideas because from what I've seen it's almost impossible from a glance to see if packs will fail or succeed.

Take IcyWorld's Nuclear Blast packs as an example, IcyWorld didn't really have any name back in the day, he just basically made the two first packs almost completely by himself and afaik he didn't even make submission threads for them, then he made 3 and 4 and now they're one of the most played packs of all, including outside our english community.

Then there's kommisar's Xoon 6 which kinda died, even though the previous Xoon packs were really popular and kommisar is known in more or less all communities the pack project kinda died and kommisar sent all the files to either ODI3 or FFR Community 4, don't remember.

So yeah, approving or disapproving will be kinda unfair I think. One small idea could become something big.