Official Tournament.

[TC_Halogen]

The player's position is irrelevant in this situation, because vROFL is simply a memento of you placing top 8 in a division. Skill levels of players shouldn't matter in this case because the tournament is multi-divisional.

Technically, there are handicaps, and those handicaps can range from differences in styles (while a style may be inferior, they shouldn't be disqualified for at least trying) or experience with the game. Skill levels aren't entirely dependent on how much a person plays, because people increase in skill differently. Take a look at Hakulyte; he owns two accounts that, when put together, have the highest overall score on the entire site (over 47 billion!). However, there are players who have stronger scores on upper level charts in comparison to him. I'm not in any way trying to insult Hakulyte or anything, but it just goes to show that some people can play a ton and not progress very well no matter what they do. Others progress quickly with a simple change, whether it be style or a simple setting change, like their key setup or speed mod.

And it doesn't entirely sound like you're bitter; you have brought up legitimate points. As far as your situation on a running message board: I think what it comes down to, is that running is a very well established sport. That, shouldn't be changed. FFR's tournament setup can be compared in the same way -- it's been run five times, with slight changes to extraneous things, but very few changes in the tournament setup itself.

EDIT: @ LJ -- that does happen, but it has to be a gross misplacement that gets recognized.

[LJRoX]

If they get a skill boost, they just get moved up, giving them less of a chance to score vROFL. This doesn't necessarily happen to everyone but that's what I would assume. It's like they can't own their previous division anymore, but get owned in their new division (again this does not apply to everyone).
If I joined D6, I'd get merked but if I join D5, I have a better chance, right? I guess certain rules should be amended and revised before even considering who belongs to what division.

Edit: yeah, I just read your post AJ, there are some people who just gain a massive skill boost and it's really hard to tell because it just happens and it's something that everyone goes through once in a while. thus keeping and maintaining a legitimate official tournament is really hard because of a sudden skill boost or bs calls from one to another

edit 2: remember my ffr weakness thread? everyone also has something they're good at, so if you guys were to host an FFR official, you'd need to closely examine everyones individual scores, no matter how long it takes :s so you can decide who goes in what. Thats what I'd call judgement.

[G00n6969]

The issue isn't whether or not a D5 person is better then a D3 or even a D1'r. Its obvious a D5r is better; and being a 1hdr is completely null to your argument. To not reward someone for besting the competition is like in your case, not giving a 1st place trophy to a person who got first place in a running meet just because the weight class varies.

My question to you is; why compete if there is no reward for the effort?


anyways. would love to see another official tourney. whether the reward is vROFL or another song.

suggestion: if giving vROFL to a D1-D4 is so controversial to some, why not make a skill token for each division, which coincides with the difficulty of the last round of the division itself(granted there ever is another O.T.)

[Ninty64]

Originally Posted by G00n6969

suggestion: if giving vROFL to a D1-D4 is so controversial to some, why not make a skill token for each division, which coincides with the difficulty of the last round of the division itself(granted there ever is another O.T.)

This could work if you made it like:
Getting into D2 unlocks D1's token,
Getting into D5 unlocks D1's through D4's token, etc.

Otherwise, you'll never be able to unlock tokens below you

[rushyrulz]

Wouldn't even have to update, wasn't there some system that registered scores through the game and recorded them on a table? Just let the program run the tournament lol.

[G00n6969]

Originally Posted by Ninty64

This could work if you made it like:
Getting into D2 unlocks D1's token,
Getting into D5 unlocks D1's through D4's token, etc.

Otherwise, you'll never be able to unlock tokens below you

if implemented with your idea it might as well just be a regular unlockable within the GUI.

but my way would require more complex coding to make sure every other division/non-player wouldnt have the song in there potential song bank. thus making there FCs/AAAs/TPs reflect accordingly.

[Panic4Me]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

Awwww the title got my hopes up :< I thought this was a mod saying that one would start soon.

Preeeetty much. >;[

[ic0slay3r]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

Wouldn't even have to update, wasn't there some system that registered scores through the game and recorded them on a table? Just let the program run the tournament lol.

Yeah, but you still need people to do the placements and someone to pick the songs for each round.

[Hakulyte]

Actually, my main complain have nothing to do with divisions themselves, it's about information concerning players from placements. Anyone who are sandbagging have usually a low amount of interesting scores to give the hosts a good idea of how good they are. You cannot force a player to play at their best with a qualifying round either because they could do bad on purpose here too. People like me who have been around for a long while are having an opposite effect by displaying all our shiny Difficulty 1-9s AAAs while some unknown player with multiple AAAs on FGOs that didn't record will stay in D1 because no one can see how good he/she is. I don't believe there's a way to do anything directly against this so, changing how's vROFL unlocked or giving some nearly irrealistic but possible goal would make more sense here like I personally believe that anyone who can AAA a FGO should have it by now.. but yeah, just an example. (or 50bil grandtotal /jk)

Of course, there's the gamewhoring alternative but getting 1 bil on a specific day is not something that can be done easily since you need to be free on that specific day and have nothing better to do. Honestly, I can smash keys a lot but getting anything past 500-750mil+ within one day is just not healthy no matter how you look at it. Most of the current 1bil+ GT in one day get were with vROFL (which is now impossible to play on without having it) or I wouldn't be surprised if some people simply teamed on one account or something.. but whatever.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by ic0slay3r

Yeah, but you still need people to do the placements and someone to pick the songs for each round.

first part, yes. Second part, there would be files made specifically for the tournament.

[FFRGreen]

Originally Posted by Beethovens mask

What for?

I like smashing and I did pretty good on the offline engine and I think I can get a lot of credits and overall score from that.

[kmay]

im sure we will know who is sandbagging in divisions like D1-3, if someone SDGs the final round, in D3, but hasnt even raised their GT by a billion, its almost obviously cheating, unless the pull the whole "I whore SM" thing. then someone has to play SM with them. vROFL should be given out to people in the tourney that actually had to try really hard to get the scores they got.

[AsphyxZero]

I'll make the top person in each division an OP or something, if this happens.
I'm pretty sure I could get kommi to help me with this since we've collab'd before and it's been pretty sick.

[Brycexx]

damn got my hopes up when I saw the the thread title lol

[Cold Kitten]

I don't think changing how vROFL is attained is the best answer. People like me (I'd probably be in D2 or D3) should have the same right to get vROFL as someone in D5 or D6. It's not fair to the lower level players to say "Oh, just because you're not as good as this person, you can't have the same skill token." We work JUST as hard to get our scores as everyone else (unless you're sandbagging, or BS, or whatever. But I'm talking about someone who's legit playing) so why shouldn't we get the same rewards for placing in our division?

[iironiic]

Originally Posted by ~Zeta~

Official Tourney:

1/4 Fun
1/4 BS calls
1/2 people complaining.

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

100% fail

Pretty much this.

However, to add to the topic of division placement and sandbagging, I'd rather compete with people who took the time to improve their scores rather than sandbag their way up. Although this might be discouraging to newcomers, I believe that the entry requirements should be made stricter in my opinion. I have no idea what these requirements should be, but at least it will weed out sandbaggers. Conversely, it will lessen the opportunity for actual newcomers to participate. But then again, these newcomers generally don't submit the first round, so it's rational to believe that if they actually work hard for their stats, they are more likely to stay in the tournament and participate. I mean, why waste so much time trying to meet the requirements for the tournament if you are just going to not submit the first round. It's obnoxious to see people passing the first round with a score of "695" rofl, because really, that's just wasting time for all of us.

Secondly, for vrofl, part of me agrees with bballa and the other part agrees with AJ. Both of you two are making very strong arguments and I wish both ideas could be implemented. I also like Ninty's idea, suggesting that there is a token for each division to unlock, where if you place high enough, you unlock the respective token and all of the other tokens lower than your division. I agree that it's unfair for those that place 9th in D5, but D1 unlocks the same song that that D5 probably deserve more. In this case, I think the placing to unlock a token should be changed. Like let top 8 in D1, unlock the D1 token, top 10 in D2 unlock the D2 and D1, top 12 for D3 and so on, top 14 for D4, etc. and top 16 for D5 and etc. (something similar to that sense). That way, it will give more incentive for lower-division people to try their hardest to reach D5 with some realistic chances to unlock all five tokens.

Based on my first idea, I think every participant deserves a reward. I really hate to suggest this, but I suggest letting vrofl be this prize. I mean, what's the glory of that file other than unlocking it? It's really a waste of space, so why not let this be a prize for this manner? That being said, these five tokens mentioned in my second suggestion should be well-stepped so that that will give all of us some motivation to unlock these files based on the reward AND the file.

The only thing I dislike about tournaments and my ideas is how people are going to respond to them. I'm sure this will increase more competition when tournaments are meant to be fun. People will be like, omg, I must AAA this song when in reality, you don't. My suggestion to every participant is to chill out and enjoy playing this game, but I know that that can't be convinced enough to make this meaningful to you. Plus, this is more of a community manner so it's really not appropriate to discuss this here.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope someone is willing to consider these suggestions or tweak it a little to make this a great tournament FFR has to offer. Thanks for reading.

[tux1]

Originally Posted by lumphoboextreme

yeah if theres a next one i wanna be in division bad.

I'll be joining you in division bad.

[Xayphon]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

looking at the dashboard for D1's final, you'll see that second place, Sei-Triplex, ended up with a score of 31-2-1-15 on the final. Anyone remember what the final was? I sure do: Magical 8 Bit Tour. Considering that this person also got a flag on round 5, I'm fairly certain they either a.) had someone play for them, or b.) somehow cheated.

I played for Sei-Triplex
Let's change the topic of the whole thread =D

[bballa48]

Originally Posted by G00n6969

The issue isn't whether or not a D5 person is better then a D3 or even a D1'r. Its obvious a D5r is better; and being a 1hdr is completely null to your argument. To not reward someone for besting the competition is like in your case, not giving a 1st place trophy to a person who got first place in a running meet just because the weight class varies.

My question to you is; why compete if there is no reward for the effort?


anyways. would love to see another official tourney. whether the reward is vROFL or another song.

suggestion: if giving vROFL to a D1-D4 is so controversial to some, why not make a skill token for each division, which coincides with the difficulty of the last round of the division itself(granted there ever is another O.T.)

You can reward them, but they shouldn't get a reward that better players are unable to get. People of my skill level will essentially never get VRofl, cause we will always be D5 but will never get top 8, unless of course people don't sign up or something like that.

Still, I don't think you are quite seeing the distinction here between FFR and other sports. Let's compare the NFL to college football, for example. NFL players are older and are paid to play. College players are 18-21, smaller, slower, and have to go to class as well (well, they should ). The difference is, NFL players can't play college football. With these tournaments, you can't separate people based on those types of distinctions. We all have access to the same methods of improving. I am not better at FFR because I am older, or bigger, or have better facilities. My skill is purely reflective of X amount of talent and the amount of time I put into it.

So, I guess my point is that I have no problem with rewarding lower divisions. I only have a problem with rewarding lower divisions with the same prize that the winners of D5 get. There is a reason my pop warner team when I was 8 didn't receive the Lombardi trophy for winning the league championship. Lower competition = lower prize



I love the idea of a skill token reward. That makes a whole lot more sense to me.

And in response to.. "why compete if there is no reward for effort?"
Because playing FFR is fun. That's why!

[Superfreak04]

Originally Posted by bballa48

You can reward them, but they shouldn't get a reward that better players are unable to get. People of my skill level will essentially never get VRofl, cause we will always be D5 but will never get top 8, unless of course people don't sign up or something like that.

Still, I don't think you are quite seeing the distinction here between FFR and other sports. Let's compare the NFL to college football, for example. NFL players are older and are paid to play. College players are 18-21, smaller, slower, and have to go to class as well (well, they should ). The difference is, NFL players can't play college football. With these tournaments, you can't separate people based on those types of distinctions. We all have access to the same methods of improving. I am not better at FFR because I am older, or bigger, or have better facilities. My skill is purely reflective of X amount of talent and the amount of time I put into it.

So, I guess my point is that I have no problem with rewarding lower divisions. I only have a problem with rewarding lower divisions with the same prize that the winners of D5 get. There is a reason my pop warner team when I was 8 didn't receive the Lombardi trophy for winning the league championship. Lower competition = lower prize



I love the idea of a skill token reward. That makes a whole lot more sense to me.

And in response to.. "why compete if there is no reward for effort?"
Because playing FFR is fun. That's why!

I would say that, for people who already have vRofl, shouldn't take away the vrofl prize from others. For example: I have vrofl. Lets say people in the tournament who make it to the top 8, already have vrofl. Now, vrofl should be given out to people who didn't make the top 8. Lets say Me, Halogen, Smitty, Alex, Samurai, Dossar, Rubix, OWA all placed in the top 8. And we all have vrofl already, then vrofl should go to the 8 players before the top 8. Unless if one of us doesn't have vrofl, then it would be 7 before the top 8. This way, people will have a chance at vrofl, even though they didn't play the top 8. And just as you said, once you reach a certain level in tournament play, "such as D5" you aren't going to get top 8 ever if the top players of FFR keep entering the tournament. So that's why I say, if you have Vrofl already, just consider yourself eliminated from the vrofl token prize. You can get credits, but vrofl should be handed out to the players who to close to the top 8. Sorry if it's a little confusing.