Logic Puzzles

[thecheat372]

yep, and it never specified what theyre trying to succeed at

[Kit-]

Originally Posted by Doug31

Yea, and this other approach is probably something that I completely don't understand you're allowed to do.

I'll tell you right here and right now that this method only involves which boxes to pick.

Originally Posted by Doug31

What am I missing here?

Well, did you read the first hint?

Originally Posted by thecheat372

its a trick question?
i mean
theres an answer
but its not going to be like that...
itll be something that youd have to think up...
but its hidden in the text

There's nothing hidden in the text. It all involves the order in which you pick boxes.

Originally Posted by Doug31

Ok, I got it, it is a trick question. The people want to die, so it's a success if they don't find their ID numbers, which they can make have a 100% chance of happening by all picking the first 50 boxes.

Nice try, but I said only method. If I wanted that, there would be more than one method. (Like having everybody pick just the first box)

[thecheat372]

arg...hmm..
what could it be?!!?!

[Doug31]

It's impossible. The end.

[thecheat372]

what if the first guy were to talk to the second guy and find his number?

then, hed have a 50% chance to find his own and 50% chance to find the next guys', with that, he could either put it in the first box or move that box,
although they get put back in original position. so that more than likely doesnt work

[Kit-]

Originally Posted by thecheat372

what if the first guy were to talk to the second guy and find his number?

then, hed have a 50% chance to find his own and 50% chance to find the next guys', with that, he could either put it in the first box or move that box,
although they get put back in original position. so that more than likely doesnt work

I already said no talking or information transfer.

[thecheat372]

but i thought they were allowed to talk beforehand?

[Kit-]

Oh n/m, I misunderstood. Anyways, it won't work, because as you mentioned, the room is reset.

[thecheat372]

yep,
im stumped
...

[spyke252]

Wait, I really don't understand.
For a 30% success rate, does that mean 30% of the time everyone survives, or thirty percent of the people survive every time?
Because if it was the latter, then everyone just pick the first 50 boxes.
(Unfortunately, now I'm almost sure it's the former)

edit: oops, missed that line

[Kit-]

At least a 30% chance of everybody surviving.

[spyke252]

well
They don't need to open the fifty boxes at once, do they

[Kit-]

Box opening is done in one go, then they don't get to do anything.

[Rolenquin]

so they can't have one person go in and open box one then a second prisoner immediately after go in and open box two and continue down the line until prisoner 1 uses all 50 tries?

[Doug31]

They can't.

Edit: and I found some more ways to do this.

1. Knock out, but do not kill the warden.
2. Strangle the warden and threaten to kill her unless she tells you which ID is in which box.

Edit2:

Originally Posted by Kit-

Box opening is done in one go, then they don't get to do anything.

Proof that this is impossible: Breathing is doing something, so therefore, they can't breath afterwards, so they all have to die.

[Kit-]

Except I've already said that it has everything to do with which boxes they pick and nothing else.

[spyke252]

can they kill themselves for the good of the rest?
i.e. even if they find their id, not come back to the room

[Doug31]

Ok then, they amount of space taken up by the ink in making the numbers of the IDs would be slightly different, so they just have to weigh them all very accurately to tell which number is in which one without opening them. Or they can just use an x-ray or something to see what's in the boxes without opening them.

Edit: Or they can get clues from how someone rearranged them before, like how recently someone had touched each box if they did them in order. Or they could all change their IDs to the same ID beforehand, then just all open the same 50 boxes. Or they could use google. Or they could get something to rescue them before going in. Or they could look through the boxes without opening them because boxes have holes in them. Or they could use some tiny animal to look in the boxes for them. Or they could each find their own number, not their own ID, since that's what it says, so they'd really just have to do something like write their number on a box and then leave, or wait until the clock or their watch said their number and then leave. Or they could do something to the boxes in the room before the whole thing started, like put numbers on them equal to what ID was in each of them. Or they could pay kit- 99999 credits to find out what the answer is. Or they could stack all the boxes on top of each other and go onto the roof. Or they could close the boxes after opening them, so it didn't count as a box opened. Or they could open more than 50 boxes, as long as only 50 of them were guess, and the rest were logically thought up, or even just an organized pattern. Or they could make a mind-reading machine. Or they could all put their IDs into the room before it started, then just pick up the one from that stack that matched the one they got in the box they opened. Or they could get really highly annoyed by kit- for making an impossible question.

[Ice wolf]

I'd like to thank Kit- for killing me with this puzzle.

[pntballa18]

stick it in her but and pee.

The warden, of course.