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(also Discord Image Hosting ServiceTM doesn't allow size changes. Imgur was fun to do 's', 'm', and 'l' after its random character to determine image size, but alas. Yay for Otis)
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YAY GO OTIS!!!
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Anyway. Bedtime for me.
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I understand not wanting "a 3rd front" but can I also ask why you ended on Shadow over storn? |
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That tipped it towards him so rather than throw a functionally useless vote at tforce i controlled the kill.
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Having a 3rd wagon was something i wanted in theory but the eod was completely dead so that spoiled it a lot.
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Anyway, my main reaction when Shadow's alignment was posted was that Freezin was townie at end of day but that they may keep him alive anyways to fight with Hateandhatred. And I do feel it is anti town at best for HNH to have checked out at the end of the day and so questioning there does not bother me. It is valid due dilligence. But at least for me, that is the trees rather than the forest because of what happened before Freezin ever got in the fight with him. Maybe this is the part where I do check off my bucket list and fight with Freezin and see who convinces who.
I do not know HNH that well but he comes across to me as more of a mechanical-focused player who will hang back more until there is more confirmed info. He is more likely to bring up role stuff earlier than most people, I have noticed, and he tends to get sussed for being quiet. I have yet to see a wolf claim vt super early, in TWG and similar games. My assessment is that the mindset that that claim came from is from a genuine town who is just putting it all out there in response to a fairly dumb vote train. As a wolf, you are boxing in your survival techniques at the day end if you do that. You lose your chance to do any kind of counterclaim play later. To me, how he has seemed to approach the game just fits better with being a true vt rather than a bizarre lazy wolf. The only wolf mindset I could make sense of it from is somebody who has seen that defense strategy work before, or that I should think other people have been more town. At least for right now, that is not true for me for most of you. And so for how I am assessing things, the more likely T/W fight potentially going on is the T-Force and bugkid one. |
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Ill read the rest of the post but that jumped out at me
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That being said i dont like it at all and dont think its indicative of town
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what was the context of this claim
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It is a never a play that I would make but again, I have no data points of a wolf doing it and I do not feel I particularly have a reason to think this is that data point, but I am talking about it because I am open to being shown I am evaluating things wrong. I feel that the flips so far have mostly reinforced my view of the game though, so I am trying to be more vocal on what my perspective is.
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We have a few differences of opinion but its not at the point where its worth fighting over
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Uhh i put some pressure on him and he gets self righteous. Iono it was kind of bizarre
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Now that im looking i cant find the specific post where he says it. Damn searching for stuff on phone is cursed
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For me Bug has been kind of neutral at best; they don't seem in their usual groove to me. They had a weird start due to being confused on the timeline and missed EOD due to reasons out of their control, which again makes it harder to evaluate them. I tried to pressure them early and I thought they handled it not terribly but that my approach was also not the best. They have a decent chance of being a storn partner as well if we messed up there - I guess that is one way to interpret his vote flipping.
T-Force is weird to me because it comes across to me like he is trying really hard even though he is busy, but his effort doesn't overall feel townie to me. bug or raeko mentioned it with the quoting the dead people. My reaction was kind of like, k, I knew what Haku's and Shadow's reads were because I cared about assessing their alignment at the time, I do not need to be told that they are known town so I should care. One thing that stands out is that I feel like he got a lot of strong reads early and it worries me in that that can be easier if you have more information. e.g. I am unsure it logically follows from previous games that he should think I am super townie. At best he is misremembering stuff when making that read. I am also concerned that his Shadow vote does not follow from the strength of the sus he gave on storn. There is a shadow of the tunnelyness I know and love of T-Force, it just seems more composed and deliberate than I expect of him. I had trouble wanting to vote him over storn yesterday because I arguably sus T-Force for playing with better rhetoric than I expect while I sus storn for playing worse than I believe he is capable. And it is complicated by the T-Force vs. Bug action. So there you go. |
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You probably shouldnt vote storn today, did u see my posts on the subject? Did you see that eod? Do you think that kitb ever contains a wolf? I just have trouble seeing it
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SOMEHOW, while looking at the setup, I looked like I forgot I was a VT. When I brought up that if inno child was in the game, there was a 50% chance of us having a doctor, that was under the assumption that everyone was one of the 2 things in there. Not only my math was just completely wrong (there aren't an equal amount of wolves and towns), but I didn't really read the roles and zoned in on inno child/doctor to see if using this could lead to us getting free information. Obviously, there are 5 VTs in the game, so none of this works in the slightest. But had someone brought it up, I'd look like I just outed myself as either a PR or a Wolf, because how else would I think that there are only PRs and Wolves in the game? I swear I'm a VT and I'm possibly going to die for mentionning this. At this point in time, everyone would have a good reason to want to kill me, so that wouldn't be helpful in the slightest. It was purely a brainfart on my end. On the other hand, I think telling the story first hand is infinitely better than just someone else bringing up the incoherence and having to explain what happened in any sort of convincing fashion. Which is what I referred to here: Quote:
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First of all, I have never rolled wolf in my life. Not here, not in IRL game, so I do not have this experience. I did roll SK once in an Ace Attorney game, but I got outed due to a PR power (last person to vote, their alignment is revealed). I believe Raeko was the player there? I've already addressed the "missing EOD" thing, so that's that. Quote:
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Besides, you also claimed "100% town" multiple times already, and called the idea of you being wolf ridiculous (or similar things) a multitude of occasion. I do not play according to meta, I guess, so maybe this is what "town you" does, but man I will never understand this.
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