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If the tournament organizers really didn't want sandbagging to happen they would make the tournament 1 divisional, such that only D6 players would even have a shot at the prizes. They wouldn't have to go through all this placement and sandbagging trouble if they didn't feel the need to reward lower-skill players. I can understand the divisions because they genuinely want to attract people into playing the game just a tad more seriously, to let players improve, and letting everyone compete and be rewarded for the time they put into the game. Why else would you feel compelled to introduce low-skill competition? (by low-skill, I refer to everyone not in D6)
FFR's tourney is designed with a very differing condition of competition compared to most tournaments for rhythm games, and games in general.. We can play the songs as many times as we like instead of going head to head live. It's a VERY forgiving system, and I imagine it has something to do with the fact that it's combo-based scoring. But even looking at osu! World Cup taking place currently, which is also combo scored (worse actually: exponential scaling combo-based scoring), they still play their games live (this comparison has some issues, but I'll leave it). I don't think I could name very many other tournaments (any off the top of my head right now for that matter) that have this kind of system that lets you continuously play and score your best. So don't let the rewards fool you: it's casual tournament gaming to a heavy degree. Concerning sandbaggers, there's easily incentive to stay in the lower divisions because of the way the prize structure is set up, and also just because of competitive nature in general, like ironic mentioned. But you can't tell with absolute certainty the difference between a sandbagger and a person who is improving from an online standpoint, barring the extremely obvious. There isn't a clearcut point where you can objectively move someone up a division either- like hi19 said, it's punishing to move people around in divisions for those people who are midway (top of their division, but can't even place in the division above). That being said, there's no reason why players shouldn't be able to complain, regardless of whether they are rational or not, because this is a system that you chose to endorse. You signed up for the whole package. tl;dr Division tournament structure is inherently flawed for a game like FFR $0.02
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12-1-2011, 11:51 PM | #4583 | |
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That's what I do anyways. Hasn't been bad for me so far I think O.o
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See what you can do when you push yourself? That took you 2 hours, I've been trying since it came out and can't beat my 6/0/0/6. Actually have gotten worse at the song now. -_-
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second off.. I'd rather have it known who might be bumped up or not based on some scores that I can't see as a non-vet. I still stand by if someone works to get to the top of their division, they shouldn't be put into the higher division. Even if they were an outlier to begin with.. (which exceptions like sandbaggers)
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It's the same reason people would probably make a huge deal if a sports team had its division changed mid-season, or if a professional tournament just decided to un-seed one of its competitors completely against the structure they usually use... nobody likes to feel punished for improving. I'd honestly rather live with having the divisions wrong and vow to do better next time than change everyone's expectations mid-way through. And so, because of what you're saying in your post (the prizes are honestly not worth getting so worked up over) I'd say that we might as well live with the incorrect divisions we started with. To me, that's better than changing the nature of the tournament entirely mid-way though and destroying part of what makes competing fun. I'm sure the response to this is to pick apart every word I've said and take it out of context, but I am mostly addressing the precedent this sets. What's the point of competition if you can't be sure you won't be punished for improving? Also this.
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At the start of this I said something about how we could just make the official a 1 division tournament, everyone freaked. Which I expected because then that only leaves what maybe like 10 people that could actually fight it out for prizes? |
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12-2-2011, 12:01 AM | #4589 | |
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I agree with you that it would be nice to know that, but it's futile. It may 'solve' the problem of getting bumped up. But it'll create a crapload of new problems. So what's the point in spending time doing it? Especially since they're volunteers. It's not like anyone on this site gets paid. And it's not like you're paying for any services. It's FREEEE <3 |
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12-2-2011, 12:01 AM | #4590 | |
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So you might as well just accept that the tournament may have these kinds of flaws and move on from there. Better than changing the expectations halfway through, in my opinion.
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who knew moving a person up one division would cause such a commotion... geez lol.
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12-2-2011, 12:01 AM | #4592 |
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If me being a sandbagger is somehow considered, check my IP, very few FFR players in my area probably and I also stream myself playing FFR for like 3+ hours daily in tinychat, just saying, I'm sure I'm stuck in D4 because of that good run, but I believe it was a good amount of luck as well as my better scores.
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LOL this happens to you too??, I get my best score on my first couple of tries then my scores keep getting worse and worse after that no matter how long I play the song for.
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Haha yea, the more I whore the worse I get at a song. I've been whoring finder like crazy I don't even know how many botched restart runs AJ deleted off the camera cause he's been trying to catch it on vid. Silly cause I'm usually really good at rolls but for some reason just can't nail this song. I think it may be the speed. There's a good chance I'm not moving on but I'll try my best and just see what happens.
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Anyways.. only exception is sandbaggers.. if it's obvious just kick them from tourney right? =)
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This happens to me too, it's why I haven't played the song in a while. I have to give it like 2 days for it to seem new to me before I can get something decent again. /o/
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All-Pro, it happens to me on RATO too. I remember the past few weeks I whored it and managed to get 23-1-0-1 and 26-0-0-3 and then consistent 20's with misses (like my 23-0-2-3) then split like a motherfucker
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This definetly happens to me A LOT. Not all the time but A LOT. Only way I find around it is not playing the song for a long time which doesn't work in touraments haha.
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-People don't know them/haven't seen them before -Very inconsistant scores - getting 50-32-0-0, 40-29-0-0 and 6-0-0-0 on the same file in the same day as an example -Generally keep watch like you have been doing -If someone posts a high score because they're proud of it, they're probably not a sandbagger More suggestions are welcome i'm sure, but that's all I can think of atm
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3 goods may be the best I get, for elegante I got the BF in only one day then couldn't beat that no matter how many times I tried, I literally hit restart at least 400 times playing that file.
Also, love the song, but I hate that the file was stepped so well, other than that though good job Bmah, just those jumps killed me haha. |
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