Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[-Barista-]

Oh. . . pffft, K then. Here I was thinking that stop were implemented into the engine. Was jumping for joy.

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

I just don't think you'd see that many files with the fact that they need to have song permissions. The idea that terrible sim authors would submit a ton of files seems possible at first, but when I consider that most new charters step songs that are not even close to music on the FFR permissions list I don't think this would be a concern. Having to limit your music choice is a turn-off for most people.

Yo Arch, what was the last file you stepped?

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by bmah

Stops won't affect gameplay in FFR, but you can use them if you feel compelled to do so.

What you cannot use however are negative BPMs.

I'll fake a negative BPM by going into the flash and adding fake arrow images that scroll at a universal rate only to have the REAL pattern be mirrored from what you see.

[jimerax]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Honest question: why is there a submission cap?

1. FFR gets a lot of submissions so it needs some quantity control.
2. We need 1 or 2 good files rather than 100 mediocre files from one sim artist.
3. On this system, your submission cap can be raised easily if you keep submitting good files.

[iironiic]

Sent Passage D. (Edit: High 11 or low 12)

From now on, I think I'm going to send one file at a time, unless I stockpile enough for the next upcoming batch after this one.

[TC_Halogen]

So far, it's looking like the submissions for this batch will be...

(0.5) Eclipse [Luna] /(collab: who_cares973) (11)
(0.5) Remember When/(collab: psychoangel691) (she says 8, I say 9 - we'll level with that)
Cest What (12)
Molto Vivace v2 (11)

...and possibly one more, if I can hurry. (which will equal my cap of 4 :3)

[Arch0wl]

Originally Posted by cedolad

Yo Arch, what was the last file you stepped?

The most recent was a revision of Gaussian Blur for KBO. Before that it was Birthright (Blue Stahli mix), which you can play here.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

[...]which you can play here.

Well...it started off pretty alright... <_<

[Arch0wl]

I like ghost notes and jacks and tend to dislike the PR/layering on most songs. Most people feel the opposite and I realize that.

[bmah]

Holy hell, what was that? hahaha

edit: yeah, you made your affinity for ghost notes very clear in Energizer

My question is, what makes ghost notes enjoyable to play?

[TC_Halogen]

I feel that ghosting is an acceptable charting strategy, but not in extreme cases seen like in your version of Birthright, or in Energizer. Ghosting for syncopative purposes is totally alright, but pushing unrealistically beyond accuracy capabilities is a little ridiculous. Then again, this is more of the player opinion than the charter's opinion, but in both cases, I believe you're going a little past common sense. Just seems like a dump.

[Arch0wl]

Well, I don't view files as "playing the song" but "interpreting the song." That's probably the most crucial contrast between how I view files vs. most people today; I view ghost notes as an interpretation of the song's energy. If you actually dance to a song, you tend to move your body to a generalized composite of every rhythm it has. When I use a ghost note I'm not thinking about how the song is being represented in the notes but how your hands are moving to the song, similar to how an Irish dancer would add rhythms to the melody.

Also, I like difficulty spikes a lot. They're used a lot in Korean music games and I like their effect. They make for great entertainment when someone is capable of doing them.

[bmah]

@simfile artists: apparently this hasn't been made clear enough

Originally Posted by jimerax

Just put [Resubmission] at the top of the name of zip/rar file and folder ,then submit.
i.e. [Resubmission] Magical 8bit Tour (jimerax).zip.

[dore]

Originally Posted by bmah

@simfile artists: apparently this hasn't been made clear enough

qtd for top of page since it was gonna get buried

re: ghosting stuff

It's just my opinion, but the limit for ghosting comes when you drastically alter a song's density. It's one thing to syncopate what you already have or bring out an implied feel, but it's another thing to completely add another layer of rhythm to the song to produce a different feel.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by bmah

@simfile artists: apparently this hasn't been made clear enough

Sweet, I did it right this time :] last time I noticed that it got switched when it was viewed in the folders so this time I put it in the front. Kewl

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by bmah

@simfile artists: apparently this hasn't been made clear enough

I didn't have to do this for The Crow's Newspaper, did I? I just assumed since you told me to give you the version with fixed silence that I would just give it to you.

[bmah]

oh no, if you were just making minor fixes to an accepted file, you don't need to do that

[TC_Halogen]

Oh alright. Needed the clarification there, thanks a bunch.

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Well, I don't view files as "playing the song" but "interpreting the song." That's probably the most crucial contrast between how I view files vs. most people today; I view ghost notes as an interpretation of the song's energy. If you actually dance to a song, you tend to move your body to a generalized composite of every rhythm it has. When I use a ghost note I'm not thinking about how the song is being represented in the notes but how your hands are moving to the song, similar to how an Irish dancer would add rhythms to the melody.

If this is what you feel - and to be honest I've lately been starting to feel similarly - you should probably move in the direction of stepping "expressive dumps", since people generally expect totally serious files to be very technically accurate (and this includes most FFR files, except the easiest). The expressive dump category is pretty wide, from files that are mostly technical but have a few ghost note sections, to files that are completely composed of rhythms that aren't in the song but nonetheless try to highlight the energy and feel of the music.

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Also, I like difficulty spikes a lot. They're used a lot in Korean music games and I like their effect. They make for great entertainment when someone is capable of doing them.

Difficulty spikes are normally fine, but they don't belong in a combo-based game like FFR, where a bad player who can mash-combo the hardest part will always outrank a skilled veteran who can't. Basically that's the problem I have with them. Unlike in the avmiss era, hitting a fast jack section is now just a matter of being able to vibrate at least as fast as the jacks, and there are plenty of people out there who lack in actual skill but are pretty decent at vibrating or mashing.

[dore]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Difficulty spikes are normally fine, but they don't belong in a combo-based game like FFR, where a bad player who can mash-combo the hardest part will always outrank a skilled veteran who can't. Basically that's the problem I have with them. Unlike in the avmiss era, hitting a fast jack section is now just a matter of being able to vibrate at least as fast as the jacks, and there are plenty of people out there who lack in actual skill but are pretty decent at vibrating or mashing.

I disagree with that. I don't think you should alter your stepping philosophy due to combo scoring, because regardless of someone mashing a FC getting a better score than someone going for PA and missing once, you're still talking about one player doing less shittily than another, and a AAA will still beat those scores. It's not like anyone's going to mash at the top of the leaderboards, and honestly, it shouldn't affect stepping/judging just because it would affect the middle of the leaderboards.