Scientists may have found a particle that goes fast than light.

[leonid]

[PaperclipGames]

So what if the neutrino could travel faster than light. This is against all theories but just say.
I hear all over the news that it is immediately related to time and that the neutrinos would basically go back in time, and that time travel would become possible etc. etc.. Anyone who believes this is dumb, for the speed of anything doesn't have anything to do with time; I could create a particle that goes ten times as fast as the speed of light, and I could send it to the sun in 50 seconds. How is that related to time travel? asdasdgafg.

Edit: Also, considering neutrinos barely interact with other matter because of their electrical neutrality, I reckon they are going to be used for extremely fast internet connections (you could shoot them right through the earth to the other side of the earth with no harm done, no cables required; you'll just need an insanely precise emitter and receptor).

[qqwref]

I posted this on another forum , but it's appropriate here too.

>physicists make measurement error
>gigantic ****storm all over the internet
>facepalm

[Spenner]

Well seeing as they JUST came across it, they shouldn't really have released it publicly IMO. They're still in the process of handing it out to other scientists to finalize the legitimacy of the data. To avoid the clusterf*ck, I would have waited for a 2nd and 200th opinion on the info gathered ~_~

[Reincarnate]

Neutrinos are ****hard to detect as they are.

If you've got a neutrino going 730.085 kilometers at c, we would expect it to take:

7.30085 * 10^14 nanometers / (2.99792458 * 10^17 nanometers/sec) = 0.00243530142 seconds, or 2435301.42 nanoseconds.

Minus about 60 ns, that's 2435241.42 nanoseconds. If we see that the neutrinos arrived 60 ns early, this implies:

7.30085 * 10^14 nanometers / 0.00243524142 seconds = 2.99799845 * 10^17 nanometers per second, or 299799845 meters per second, or a new "speed limit" of something like 1.00002464c, ballpark figure.

Consider supernova SN 1987A, the supernova that gave rise to neutrino astronomy, 168,000 lightyears away. If neutrinos are that much faster than light, we'd expect to see them arrive early by 168,000*(1-1/1.00002464) = about 4.139418 years. And yet, experimentally, that's not what we saw. The neutrinos arrived something like 3 hours before the light did over a distance of 168,000 lightyears -- NOT 4 years sooner.

So you might be wondering "OK Rubix, but the neutrinos still got here first! Explain THAT, whore!" When a supernova kicks off, the energy release begins in the core -- it takes time for the shockwave to reach the surface, but neutrinos don't have any such resistance from from the cool shock front and get a few hours head start. That time difference is exactly what we saw, even after all those years of traveling at crazy speeds over crazy distances.

In other words, I trust the data from the 168,000-lightyear supernova + the countless number of verifications we've had from Einstein's theory, over some probably-bullshit miscalibration or software rounding error somewhere (especially in that PolaRx2e GPS receiver they used which probably isn't typically used for nanosecond-magnitude measurements over hundreds of kilometers of distance).

I really, really expect this one to be put under.

[MrGiggles]

i didn't read any of that but stop pissing in my cornflakes please time travel is very nearly my fetish

[leonid]

rubix I'll kill you yesterday

[Reincarnate]

not if I use my golden rule algorithm first

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

Just like light, we can't do anything with Neutrinos.

We can't harness the speed of light and convert that into anything useful other than illuminating shit extremely quickly, just like we wouldn't be able to convert the speed of neutrinos into anything useful even if this whole thing isn't BS.

--

I've been to an underground neutrino lab before and it's amazing how hard these scientists try to see a few little red dots on a screen.

over 50 solid steel plates just for some dots that don't mean anything aside from scientific knowledge. I also heard that the government funded over 100 million dollars to this project which made me kind of relieved that I'm not paying taxes yet.

[awein999]

Interesting read.

OK Rubix, but the neutrinos still got here first! Explain THAT, whore!

Typo. Your argument is therefore invalid. "don't have any such resistance from from the cool shock"

Can't add anything of anymore intellectual knowledge but I feel like posting. *insert trollface here*

[GG_Guru]

Rubix just mind fucced my brain. Holy shit. lol

I am surprised to see how far this goes actually, if Einstein's theory can be supped then it would most certainly be an impressive feat to say the least.

[massflavour]

Originally Posted by PURE GENIUS

Whoever deleted my post is a tight-ass that needs to be de-modded for being a tight-ass. My post didn't contain anything bad and was related to the topic. there are other posts in this thread that should also have been deleted if my post deserved to be deleted. just because my name is pure genius you delete my posts. You really deserve to be demodded for deleting posts out of pure idiocy.

best post in thread so far

[stargroup100]

What Rubix said pretty much.

lmao at everyone going "OH NOES THIS CHANGES MY WORLD" i'm pretty sure this kind of discovery would have no direct influence on ANY of our lives

[Reach]

These kind of things pop up every couple of years.

And they're always wrong, in some way, shape or form.

It's usually an issue of group vs phase velocities (phase velocity can exceed c).

If this isn't the case, which it doesn't appear to be, then it's measurement error. Not only does it make no god damn sense whatsoever, but right now it's a dubious and unverified claim. You'd think whatever researcher is leading this experiment would have been smart enough to know this is an error and double checked and fixed his shit before ejaculating all over the media.


Best case scenario for this experiment is it's some sort of exception because of strange experimental conditions.

[SocoNhydro420]

Yeah i read that article yesterday, i think they might have made some sort of calibration error somewhere.

Even though i think they made an error, i actually hope that they didn't. If its true, it means theres something new to uncover, and physics will get a lot more exciting for the theorists (future me)

[Wineandbread]

Scientists working on OPERA/Neutrino velocity haven't been unearthing these results just now. If you look at Rubix's paper's introduction, you see that the experiment has been going on for a few years (onwards of 2009).

The paper was published because CERN scientists are at a loss and want external sources to analyze their work and look for an error/prove their analysis wrong. If it ends up being some calibration error, well... lol.
(http://www.rferl.org/content/cern_ex.../24338924.html)

The media has pretty much exploded on it though first thing when it came out and blew it out of proportion like they do for plenty of other things xd

[rushyrulz]

Government is prolly like, okay we're gonna stop funding you now.
BUT WAIT NEUTRINOS GO FASTER THAN C!

Oh, in that case..

[Thatskier]

/end thread

[darkshark]

What if it's not a calibration error? The existence of tachyonic neutrinos has been a concept for a while now. Tachyons can't move slower than the speed of light. If this turns out to be true, then it would just prove their existence, not rewrite history.

[PaperclipGames]

Calibration errors are considered dealt with, considering they have set a max measurement error margin of 10 nanoseconds - which is, relatively speaking, not all that little. If they measure a speed that exceeds this margin by no less than six times, you know that something really strange must be going on that isn't "just" a measurement error.

I personally don't think neutrinos can go faster than the speed of light, I think someone's been messing around with the results.