Define Pro Player

[Charlo]

A pro would be one of the very best, somebody who can FC nearly every song with no problems. Everybody else is anywhere from "really good" to "bad".

[DossarLX ODI]

If you can FC most 12's in FFR without much mashing (and maybe both RATO and Death Piano), I already consider that a "master" at FFR. FC'ing Death piano and/or RATO without much mashing I consider top tier since that's AlexDest, leonid, Halogen, and such and it's guaranteed top ten at this current time.

I'd consider a "pro" as someone who can get the Otaku Speedvibe [oni] token. Those who can't but are close I consider potential pros, I guess. Players that have trouble FC'ing VC files and above I consider FFR rookie, and under is novice. Doesn't sound nearly as harsh as "bad player", lol.

[Izzy]

Darn, not quite a master. I always get a few misses when I don't mash any of the song. Excluding death piano and rato.

[DossarLX ODI]

Well then again FFR is combo based scoring, so I based my interpretations off of that (FC'ing MOST of the harder files). If you can do most of the file without mashing but get a couple misses, you're a "master" in stepmania terms.

[HoneyMelonCalibrator]

ThaoR.

[flashpantss]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Those who can't but are close I consider potential pros, I guess.

Yes, I am a potential pro. Hell yeah.

[revolutionomega]

I miss him :'(

[DossarLX ODI]

Honestly the only way I can even call someone a horrible player is if they can't even pass difficulty level 5 songs or under LMFAO

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Well then again FFR is combo based scoring, so I based my interpretations off of that (FC'ing MOST of the harder files). If you can do most of the file without mashing but get a couple misses, you're a "master" in stepmania terms.

FFRs combo based scoring is pretty retarded. I can get around 3 goods on TOML 1.2 rate and can't get a good score on any ffr fgo because of 1-4 misses.

Edit: How can you not "pass" a song on ffr other then the vROFL wall of death? You can just mindlessly mash your keyboard and pass. You can probably pass fgo's with your eyes closed by just jump trilling to 16ths whenever you here music.

[samurai7694]

most AAAs

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by Izzy

FFRs combo based scoring is pretty retarded. I can get around 3 goods on TOML 1.2 rate and can't get a good score on any ffr fgo because of 1-4 misses.

Edit: How can you not "pass" a song on ffr other then the vROFL wall of death? You can just mindlessly mash your keyboard and pass. You can probably pass fgo's with your eyes closed by just jump trilling to 16ths whenever you here music.

Which is why I said in stepmania terms, you'd be a "master" if you can do most or practically the entire file without mashing or having trouble in a select few spots. lol. You can miss in stepmania and still get a really good score (AA), while mashing may downgrade it lower to even a C.

Second part: If you can't pass difficulty 5 files or under, then you are pretty bad, sorry to say haha. Passing FGO's isn't that impressive even, since like you said FFR's life system is very lenient in comparison to stepmania. Only ridiculous files are hard to pass such as vrofl.

[Staiain]

*Looks like my 1.2*

[gnr61]

somehow expected dossar to churn out a multi-paragraph response with a Qualitative Analysis on what it takes to be Pro at sm. and he did!

because 'pro' is used as slang outside (ehm) professional sports, you obviously can't set any exact meaning for it. personally i think u are 'pro' at stepmania if you are significantly faster than i am (ie can fc corporal jigsaw or some stupid ****) because there seems to be a pretty fine line between those who plow through files like that and those of us who don'e understand how to move fingers that fast x.x