TWG XII - Velyssis Victory! - Page 2

Afrobean · 03-10-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alain

And I like your style. Real controversial.

I tried something controversial last game and it just got me lynched faster. I love how easily the masses are manipulated.

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Originally Posted by Tps

Actually, he was a wolf in TWG 8?, and randomed, and was a wolf.

It wasn't really random. He lied and said it was random. Unless my memory fails me, LD voted Kefit, a fellow wolf. He said it was random and he did this to make it seem like he's not connected to Kefit. Actually, all the wolves that game tried that tactic and it blew up in there faces.

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Originally Posted by Tps

He is playing too much like himself.

That was quite humorous. In fact, I almost laughed out loud.

**alainbryden** · 03-10-2005, 06:06 PM

I was actually discussing with blah how I would think he was the last person to get wolfed, since he is such a good player and high risk of getting guarded. But I understand where yor're coming from. That logic has been used for too many games, it was bound to come back and slap us sooner or later. There's definately one very high level thinking on the wolf team.

**lightdarkness** · 03-10-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by evilbutterfly

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Originally Posted by alainbryden

I wouldn't put it past eyespew to try to confuse people by asking about second pm's, to see if he could catch one of the special roles / wolves. He talked to me about it first, so it wasn't accidental.

That was me. Well, unless we both mentioned it. And I did it before eyespew did it, so he was just copying me :P.

And you know what I noticed? LD always makes a random vote at the start of the game. Oh wait, he didn't do that this time! You know what other game he didn't do that? That's right, TWG XI. You know what he was in that game? A wolf.

Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 16-sided die: 11

TPS

You'll understand why I've been too busy to vote in a few days

Honestly, there hasn't been anything to really vote on, and don't take my behavoir in the last game as an indication of being a wolf. That game I played as if I were human, because I also had to worry about wolves

mead1 · 03-10-2005, 06:21 PM

I think eb's vote for LD was faulty at best. That and I have nothing else to vote on.

Afrobean · 03-10-2005, 06:41 PM

I think mead1's vote for eb was faulty at best. There is no reason to vote so soon, and voting on weak reasoning just makes it worse.

Not that I'm approving of eb's vote on LD. That was also unneeded. LD's vote on Tps was unneeded, too.

Either way, I don't think eb would vote so haphazardly if he were a wolf. Wolves generally try to stay under the radar in the beginning.

Tps222 · 03-10-2005, 07:12 PM

No, Afro, they don't, they like to briefly surface, be pretty active in the chats, establish themselves as active, and then just be there.

Afrobean · 03-10-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tps222

No, Afro, they don't, they like to briefly surface, be pretty active in the chats, establish themselves as active, and then just be there.

That would be staying under the radar.

Duh.

ImEric12 · 03-10-2005, 07:19 PM

Unfortunately, I dunno what time I'll be here tomorrow. I don't have much speculation yet, so my random vote goes to TPS. This will hopefully be revised if I get back from Robotics in time tomorrow.

Afrobean · 03-10-2005, 07:25 PM

Eric, it doesn't matter if you'll maybe be unnavailable; You do not under any circumstances put a random vote on someone who has a vote already. It's bad enough that you're random voting at all, you don't need to compound it by putting a second vote on someone.

nforcer06164 · 03-10-2005, 07:34 PM

Alright, guys, I think I have some evidence here, now that the chat log is up. As I was describing earlier...

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Originally Posted by The chat log

eyespewgreekfire (7:34:42 PM): haha

That was eyespew's last entry before he stopped making responses, and at that point, I'm guessing he went AFK.

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Originally Posted by The chat log

NEIGH006 (7:53:28 PM): sorry man :/
NEIGH006 (7:54:12 PM): jokes
NEIGH006 (7:54:22 PM): k jurs, my turn, I pick truth
NEIGH006 (8:00:13 PM): Who are you killing night one eyespew?
Xtrialan Derrorx (8:04:04 PM): What.
(8:05:59 PM) Xtrialan Derrorx has left the room.
NEIGH006 (8:06:44 PM): fine then. Suck
NEIGH006 (8:06:58 PM): byes in 5
NEIGH006 (8:06:59 PM): 4
NEIGH006 (8:07:01 PM): 3
NEIGH006 (8:07:03 PM): o_O
(8:07:05 PM) NEIGH006 has left the room.

Even though eyespew hadn't made a response since then, I'm sure he read what happened in the chat when he came back. Although what Alain had said may have been an innocent joke, as eb ALWAYS asks "are you a wolf" when people first enter the chat, he may have wanted to "assure" his humanity somehow. Well, how could he do that? He said...

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Originally Posted by The chat log

eyespewgreekfire (9:06:55 PM): quick question people
eyespewgreekfire (9:07:03 PM): i hear a bunch of people got 2 PMs
eyespewgreekfire (9:07:09 PM): am i the only one that hasnt?
Afrobean16 (9:07:15 PM): I'd imagine about half the people got 2
evilbutterfly87 (9:08:09 PM): how many are playing?
eyespewgreekfire (9:08:15 PM): everyone else only got the default one?
Afrobean16 (9:08:18 PM): isn't it 16?
eyespewgreekfire (9:08:21 PM): dammit i want some codes lol
evilbutterfly87 (9:08:39 PM): hehe

So, by saying that, he easily can make everyone believe that he hasn't received a second PM, and clueless about it as well. While that could mean he could be a special role, I don't see why eyespew would go to any length to make everyone look like he's an ordinary human if he is a special role, rather than just keeping quiet. Rather, it seems like something a wolf would do, eyespew.

**alainbryden** · 03-10-2005, 07:50 PM

To vouch for eyespew, chat really was going extinct when I said that, allthough I won't discount the other claims of his odd behaviour.

evilbutterfly · 03-10-2005, 08:49 PM

Also, Alain was acting really strange all last night. He said he was a wolf and he was gonna kill me and was all like OLOLOLO YOU'RE A DEAD MAN OLOLO! I don't think he really meant anything by any of it. Of course, Alain is tricky enough to try some reverse psychology and act silly to throw us off.

**Tasselfoot** · 03-10-2005, 08:53 PM

OK... things I've noticed so far.... On page 1, Afro and Neon both come out and say how smart it was of the wolves. Others commented on blah being a good kill, but those two commented on the power of the wolves, which has a fairly negative conotation for the humans, implying we're fucked.

Also, Afro has been arguing with the majority of the other people who have been active... eb, mead, alain, tps. Not so much arguing, but bickering/bouncing back and forth with.

We have a little string of "random" voting and counter-voting... I suggest we all back off from this, as was already stated. Lynching someone early, especially on day 1, is DEADLY for the humans. Also, perhaps one of the votes onto TPS wasn't random? I'm not sure what to make of all these votes, except that none of them have any substance behind them at all. Could be stupidity, could be wolfish, could be improper fear of an inactivity phantom or two..... regardless, knock it off.

Those are my initial thoughts after just reading the thread once. My views may be slightly skewed, and a 2nd or 3rd reading of the thread should fix that, but that is what I see as of right now.

On other news, the oddness of the hidden blue roles is.... different. But, as I am once again an outsider looking in, I'll request my usual desire to be seered and form and alliance. Even moreso now that we don't know what all the roles are, even one blue doesn't know what all the blue roles are, we need someone to be the central backbone of an alliance, work together to get those people together. And, yes, only a seer (if there is one) will be able to see me as a 100% human.... nothing more I can do than offer my aid to help the team. If you want to work with me, excellent. If not, we'll have a harder time winning. And, if I hear nothing from others, I hope the blues at least contact SOMEONE to help work with and build an alliance.

**Tasselfoot** · 03-11-2005, 12:10 AM

Just re-read the thread... and nForcer's post at the bottom of page 2 really screams at me. Anyone else find something wrong with it? I mean, look what happened when I thought the info on roopert made him a wolf. No, he was the other seer. nForcer knows this, even says he knows this, yet disregards it and votes for eyespew anyway. Lets also not forget the most obvious conclusion of eyespew's comments in the chat.... that he is telling the truth! That he is confused.

I'd like to hear what nForcer has to say, and also would like to know if anyone else sees what I'm seeing... its the best I have so far for a potential vote.

**alainbryden** · 03-11-2005, 12:12 AM

Remember seer that coming forward to Tass helps Tass win. Whether he is a human or not. We still do not know if there is a master wolf role in this game which changes things. Also, if there is a seer in this game, which it's entirely possible there isn't, odds would be that he saw one of Tass, Me, or Blah. If It was Blah then that's a loss, if it was one of Tass or I then I haven't heard, and Tass clearly hasn't either. It is also possible that Tass was seen as a wolf and it is being kept quiet until some trustees can be told. If anyone else was seen then the seer isn't as experienced as I assumed. If there isn't even a seer, then forget everything I just said.

On a side note, it's good to see Tass hasn't changed his strategy.

**Tasselfoot** · 03-11-2005, 12:54 AM

Seriously... drink less red bull.... get more sleep. While that post was quite accurate.... it rambled alot. Its late buddy. Get some rest.

Plus, for all the reasons everyone has said in the plethora of past games I've been in.... why on earth would I change my strategy, green, blue, or red?

On that same side note, Tass helping Tass win is the general theme I live by. It just so happens that when I win, my team does too. But, I am always willing to sacrifice myself for the team, IF it gets the team a win. Generally speaking, it hasn't. But, that is why I always offer myself as the alliance figurehead... I'm willing to risk myself for the team.

And, now I think I'm rambling. G'night sweet TWGlings.

Tps222 · 03-11-2005, 05:56 AM

Nforcer, that would just be to obvious. There is no way that he would try and act that clueless to throw people off, it would just bring suspiscion on him. I've decided to switch my vote off Alain, though he fits the description of my idea, I guess a few people could; thus, I do not wan't to get rid of a power player this early in the game. My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person. I really don't want to vote him, but I don't think you can vote yourself. So no worries Mead, I'm going to change my vote as soon as more evidence comes up.

nforcer06164 · 03-11-2005, 06:27 AM

Alright Tass, here's the thing about eyespew...

Most here may or may not have realized that I normally, at the beginning of the game, post anything that I find odd, suspicious, and the like. This time, I saw something that struck me as odd; specifically, eyespew's comment in the chats. Remember, we had been discussing long before he made that comment that most of us had NOT received a second PM. Why then, after we had established that, would he say what he did? I found it strange, and that's about it. I know that did something for me, but I didn't expect anyone else to find it odd. I very well realized that he may be a blue, but there was another reason I voted for him that I did not mention...

Also, I did not want to say this, but I also want to see eyespew come in and at least say something. I still am a little suspicious of him as before, but he was active before the game started. Now, he is nowhere to be found. If he shows up and something else catches my attention, I may change my vote. For now, however, it stands.

On a side note: Everybody, remember how Alain acted in TWGVIII. He was human, and he was a little frantic in the beginning. It's not a reason to suspect Alain as of yet.

Tps222 · 03-11-2005, 07:20 AM

That was not why I suspected him, he is always active.

Anyways, I haven't talked to eyespew either, but I know I was confused about the whole pm scenario untill AP explained it to me pre pm sending.

**Kilgamayan** · 03-11-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tps222

My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person.

What do you mean by "the same person"? No one else had voted for eb before mead's post.

03-10-2005, 06:06 PM	#22
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	I was actually discussing with blah how I would think he was the last person to get wolfed, since he is such a good player and high risk of getting guarded. But I understand where yor're coming from. That logic has been used for too many games, it was bound to come back and slap us sooner or later. There's definately one very high level thinking on the wolf team. __________________ ~NEIGH

03-10-2005, 06:41 PM	#25
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	I think mead1's vote for eb was faulty at best. There is no reason to vote so soon, and voting on weak reasoning just makes it worse. Not that I'm approving of eb's vote on LD. That was also unneeded. LD's vote on Tps was unneeded, too. Either way, I don't think eb would vote so haphazardly if he were a wolf. Wolves generally try to stay under the radar in the beginning. __________________

03-10-2005, 07:19 PM	#28
ImEric12 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Next to Hooker Land. :o Posts: 1,952	Unfortunately, I dunno what time I'll be here tomorrow. I don't have much speculation yet, so my random vote goes to TPS. This will hopefully be revised if I get back from Robotics in time tomorrow. __________________

03-10-2005, 07:25 PM	#29
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Eric, it doesn't matter if you'll maybe be unnavailable; You do not under any circumstances put a random vote on someone who has a vote already. It's bad enough that you're random voting at all, you don't need to compound it by putting a second vote on someone. __________________

03-10-2005, 07:50 PM	#31
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	To vouch for eyespew, chat really was going extinct when I said that, allthough I won't discount the other claims of his odd behaviour. __________________ ~NEIGH

03-10-2005, 06:21 PM	#24
mead1 Cerebellumberjack Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: On a boat Age: 34 Posts: 3,960	I think eb's vote for LD was faulty at best. That and I have nothing else to vote on.

03-10-2005, 07:12 PM	#26
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	No, Afro, they don't, they like to briefly surface, be pretty active in the chats, establish themselves as active, and then just be there.

03-10-2005, 08:49 PM	#32
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	Also, Alain was acting really strange all last night. He said he was a wolf and he was gonna kill me and was all like OLOLOLO YOU'RE A DEAD MAN OLOLO! I don't think he really meant anything by any of it. Of course, Alain is tricky enough to try some reverse psychology and act silly to throw us off. __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

03-10-2005, 08:53 PM	#33
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	OK... things I've noticed so far.... On page 1, Afro and Neon both come out and say how smart it was of the wolves. Others commented on blah being a good kill, but those two commented on the power of the wolves, which has a fairly negative conotation for the humans, implying we're fucked. Also, Afro has been arguing with the majority of the other people who have been active... eb, mead, alain, tps. Not so much arguing, but bickering/bouncing back and forth with. We have a little string of "random" voting and counter-voting... I suggest we all back off from this, as was already stated. Lynching someone early, especially on day 1, is DEADLY for the humans. Also, perhaps one of the votes onto TPS wasn't random? I'm not sure what to make of all these votes, except that none of them have any substance behind them at all. Could be stupidity, could be wolfish, could be improper fear of an inactivity phantom or two..... regardless, knock it off. Those are my initial thoughts after just reading the thread once. My views may be slightly skewed, and a 2nd or 3rd reading of the thread should fix that, but that is what I see as of right now. On other news, the oddness of the hidden blue roles is.... different. But, as I am once again an outsider looking in, I'll request my usual desire to be seered and form and alliance. Even moreso now that we don't know what all the roles are, even one blue doesn't know what all the blue roles are, we need someone to be the central backbone of an alliance, work together to get those people together. And, yes, only a seer (if there is one) will be able to see me as a 100% human.... nothing more I can do than offer my aid to help the team. If you want to work with me, excellent. If not, we'll have a harder time winning. And, if I hear nothing from others, I hope the blues at least contact SOMEONE to help work with and build an alliance. __________________ RIP

03-11-2005, 12:10 AM	#34
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Just re-read the thread... and nForcer's post at the bottom of page 2 really screams at me. Anyone else find something wrong with it? I mean, look what happened when I thought the info on roopert made him a wolf. No, he was the other seer. nForcer knows this, even says he knows this, yet disregards it and votes for eyespew anyway. Lets also not forget the most obvious conclusion of eyespew's comments in the chat.... that he is telling the truth! That he is confused. I'd like to hear what nForcer has to say, and also would like to know if anyone else sees what I'm seeing... its the best I have so far for a potential vote. __________________ RIP

03-11-2005, 12:12 AM	#35
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	Remember seer that coming forward to Tass helps Tass win. Whether he is a human or not. We still do not know if there is a master wolf role in this game which changes things. Also, if there is a seer in this game, which it's entirely possible there isn't, odds would be that he saw one of Tass, Me, or Blah. If It was Blah then that's a loss, if it was one of Tass or I then I haven't heard, and Tass clearly hasn't either. It is also possible that Tass was seen as a wolf and it is being kept quiet until some trustees can be told. If anyone else was seen then the seer isn't as experienced as I assumed. If there isn't even a seer, then forget everything I just said. On a side note, it's good to see Tass hasn't changed his strategy. __________________ ~NEIGH

03-11-2005, 12:54 AM	#36
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Seriously... drink less red bull.... get more sleep. While that post was quite accurate.... it rambled alot. Its late buddy. Get some rest. Plus, for all the reasons everyone has said in the plethora of past games I've been in.... why on earth would I change my strategy, green, blue, or red? On that same side note, Tass helping Tass win is the general theme I live by. It just so happens that when I win, my team does too. But, I am always willing to sacrifice myself for the team, IF it gets the team a win. Generally speaking, it hasn't. But, that is why I always offer myself as the alliance figurehead... I'm willing to risk myself for the team. And, now I think I'm rambling. G'night sweet TWGlings. __________________ RIP

03-11-2005, 05:56 AM	#37
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	Nforcer, that would just be to obvious. There is no way that he would try and act that clueless to throw people off, it would just bring suspiscion on him. I've decided to switch my vote off Alain, though he fits the description of my idea, I guess a few people could; thus, I do not wan't to get rid of a power player this early in the game. My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person. I really don't want to vote him, but I don't think you can vote yourself. So no worries Mead, I'm going to change my vote as soon as more evidence comes up.

03-11-2005, 07:20 AM	#39
Tps222 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 6,167	That was not why I suspected him, he is always active. Anyways, I haven't talked to eyespew either, but I know I was confused about the whole pm scenario untill AP explained it to me pre pm sending.

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