06-30-2013, 06:41 AM | #21 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
Well..
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06-30-2013, 06:58 AM | #22 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
I never said I wasn't an idiot in highschool. I probably deserved half the shit I got actually.
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06-30-2013, 07:09 AM | #23 | |
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From plenty first-hand experience I can easily confirm that the best way to deal with (non-physical) bullying is to simply ignore it and not give their words any worth whatsoever. Taking personal offense to a bully saying something is, in my opinion, pretty dumb.
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06-30-2013, 07:50 AM | #24 | |
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The truth is, everyone deals with bullies. However, you don't hear everyone's problems. Why do you think that is so? I'm not trying to dwarf people's problems with others, but I do feel like many of these issues could be handled in a much better way. Once again, being anonymous should work for both parties, and ignoring someone on the internet is simple enough to do. When problems cross certain lines, authorities can step in. However, bullying has been going on for a long, long time. This is not some new kind of epidemic; it was bound to happen. Do you remember AIM chat rooms? Now, I'm going to dive into more personal thoughts. Cyber bullying is pretty similar to cyber sex. Compare cyber sex with 'irl' sex. What is the difference? Why do people have cyber sex? Are the thoughts, feelings, desires still there? Compare cyber bullying with 'irl' bullying. Think about the previous questions. Let me go into a little more detail now. What about punching, can you do that online? Gathering friends and swarming around a defenseless victim, can you do that online? Sure you can, there are alternatives that you could mention, and plenty of them. But, there is a huge difference. I do view cyber bullying as a lesser problem when compared to problems with people who are up close and personal. The internet and the mind both provide strong tools that should negate most online attacks. All these victims need to do is use them. The same cannot be said for life outside of the internet. It's hard to ignore a fist slamming into your face, or block a user from breaking into your home.
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You are naive(what about my statement led you to assume that I am naive? Are you assuming that i lack certain knowledge? what has led to you assume this? you are the person who is naive, you dont know the extent of my understanding and you are pretending to know in an effort to insult me on something completely unrelated to the topic at hand). People can be influenced(No shit. I never said that they couldnt be influenced. Just because somebody is influenced by other people does not mean that the people who influenced them are responsible for the things that person does ; and people who are already on the edge of doing something terrible can often very easily be influenced(So what. Let the idiots be easily influenced, I'm not responsible for another person's weakness. a lot of times people go online and ask for help just to find others who will justify the things that they are already thinking. Know anything about confirmation bias?). If I were suicidal and posted a thread as a call for help, and everybody on FFR would tell me to kill myself because I'm a ******, then you're all comitting a crime.What crime is being committed? If everybody was helpful and the person still killed themselves, would somebody get charged for not doing enough to prevent the suicide? Indoctrinating someone into commiting crimes (because yes, suiciding is a crime) is illegal - and it should be trivial to realize why.You want to talk about indoctrinating people into committing crimes(suicide being one of those crimes), look at the justice system in America. The prison environment breeds criminal behavior and many prisoners end up committing suicide. Cyberbullying is trivial compared to the injustice of our justice system. Telling somebody to kill themselves over the internet isn't exactly indoctrination. p.s. you edited out an important part of my post when you quoted me Last edited by DontBanMeYet; 06-30-2013 at 10:47 PM.. Reason: U JUST GOT PWND |
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06-30-2013, 09:05 PM | #26 | |
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That makes you incredibly naive and stupid I'd even add, if you think that that person legitimately wants to end their life. Suicides are typically a mean of last resort, when no option other than it feel viable. Is it the choice of the person to go through it? No. Actually, it would be dependent on a lot of factors that very per person. External factors to suicides are endless, and while sometimes your statement of it is only the fault of the one who chose that action, more often than not you'd find that statement to be so wrong it would burn your retinas to read such a statement. |
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06-30-2013, 09:33 PM | #27 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
we can only hope that the next generation of cyberbullies are like cetaka
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06-30-2013, 10:01 PM | #28 | |
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If you read my first post in this thread you will see that I said if anybody is to blame it is our culture and that since there is no way to charge our entire culture with a crime, the only person who should be to blame is the person who committed suicide. I'm talking about this from a legal perspective. I firmly believe that other people should not be charged with a crime because of another person's decision to commit suicide. You are just as bad as paperclip games in that you assume things about my opinion and wish to insult me more than you wish to understand. Of course there are a variety of factors that contribute to suicide, but ultimately the only person who is responsible is the person who decides to kill themselves. Last edited by DontBanMeYet; 06-30-2013 at 10:05 PM.. Reason: NOOB U JUST GOT PWND |
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06-30-2013, 11:17 PM | #29 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
who needs to spend thousands on psychiatrists when you have the ffr counseling center
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07-1-2013, 04:26 AM | #30 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
@DontBanMeYet: The way you approach things is that when crime X is committed, the person who commited X should be punished, regardless of the circumstances. I can give you countless examples of why that system is flawed as fuck and would not work; aside from indoctrination, repression and blackmail are just another two.
Let's say I tell you that I'd kill your entire family if you didn't steal a car for me. You don't want your whole family to end up killed, so you do it. I drive away in said car, bye-bye. The next day you are arrested by the police as someone witnessed you stealing the car. You go to jail. Does this sound like justice? While I agree that the current legal system is terrible, that doesn't mean I should just conform to the way things are and be like "Ah, well, whatever, let's just hold the person who suicided responsible just because the system works the easiest like that". Also, if you truly consider that statement/post of mine insulting or offensive, then you are quite the example of an easily influenced "idiot" with weaknesses. But that only means that, according to your logic, I can tell you to eat shit and die, and if you do, I'm in the clear. Good game. P.S.: None of this post was intended to be offensive. Just in case you feel like I stepped on your soul.
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@DontBanMeYet: The way you approach things is that when crime X is committed, the person who commited X should be punished, regardless of the circumstances. I can give you countless examples of why that system is flawed as fuck and would not work; aside from indoctrination, repression and blackmail are just another two.
Let's say I tell you that I'd kill your entire family if you didn't steal a car for me. You don't want your whole family to end up killed, so you do it. I drive away in said car, bye-bye. The next day you are arrested by the police as someone witnessed you stealing the car. You go to jail. Does this sound like justice? While I agree that the current legal system is terrible, that doesn't mean I should just conform to the way things are and be like "Ah, well, whatever, let's just hold the person who suicided responsible just because the system works the easiest like that". Also, if you truly consider that statement/post of mine insulting or offensive, then you are quite the example of an easily influenced "idiot" with weaknesses. But that only means that, according to your logic, I can tell you to eat shit and die, and if you do, I'm in the clear. Good game. P.S.: None of this post was intended to be offensive. Just in case you feel like I stepped on your soul. Quote:
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Edit 2: I accidentally made a new post instead of editing. My bad. The above post can be deleted.
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07-1-2013, 04:40 AM | #32 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
Why does anyone take his posts seriously at all
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07-1-2013, 04:44 AM | #33 |
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There is a disagreement on the topic, which can spark discussion? Someone else's opinion being flawed or BS (in your and mine opinion, at least) isn't really a valid reason to just not take him seriously...
By that I mean that it seems like he's legitimately trying to make a point rather than just randomly troll around in the thread.
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07-1-2013, 05:19 AM | #34 |
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Re: Cyber Bullying in 10 years
Since the liberation of "bullying" expanded to ~cyber space~,
where most of society's lives currently are, the consequences that physical bullies face should be installed to online domineers as well. but imo, bullies tend to breach the peace too, and so, often that it's more of a common expectation to many individuals and thus a tradition in some aspects. Because of this accustomed establishment of bullying, many of our bullies trek without an appeased amount of chastening; so the penalties imo should be elevated and awareness as well. They, even we, are disturbing the fxcking peace. Though retribution varies within states, we have a right to be safe; especially in our own home. But what can one expect whilst wondering the school yard alone? school yard is a reference to "the internet" if you do not get it
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If you do not get where i am coming from, i do not know what to say. You live in the Netherlands are not as well aquainted as I am with the american justice system(which is the legal system i have been referring to this whole time). in your country there are about 30 people serving life sentences. In america, there are 132,000 people serving life sentences. In America there is one person serving a life sentence for every 2378 people. In the Netherlands there is one person serving a life sentence for every 505757 people. Do these statistics tell you anything about life in America?? You assume that your personal feelings somehow have a bearing on the legal mechanisms already in place; Unless you start a revolution, they do not. the system doesn't care about you and will gladly put you to death when given the chance. Last edited by DontBanMeYet; 07-1-2013 at 11:49 AM.. |
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07-1-2013, 12:14 PM | #36 |
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You've basically been agreeing with my point during that entire reply; you admitted that the legal system is fucked up and unjust. I would say a system "works" if it is just; which it obviously is not. So, no, it does not work.
Filling prisons isn't a proper measure to see if a legal system works. If anything, the opposite. o_o (Though, you assumed more things about me again, which, again, are false; and furthermore I wasn't referring to any country's laws whatsoever. Tell me where I assumed the Dutch or the American or any other law system specifically.) Either way, as of that reply I officially abandon this thread, because it is obvious now that you will not understand me (because if you would, and you are not a troll, your reply would be different regardless of your opinion). Therefore, especially since you're exactly proving my point, I hereby claim my "win" on this matter.
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07-1-2013, 12:17 PM | #37 | |
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Just because a legal system blames the suicider, doesn't mean I must agree with that, and I definitely don't think that "works". Edit: And also, a high life sentence per person ratio can imply many things. It can mean that your system is harsher. It can also mean people are more criminal. It can also mean people are easier caught. It can mean so many things, but of all things, I don't see how it means it "works better".
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07-1-2013, 12:32 PM | #40 | |
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You are assuming more, once again; and again, you were false. The intention of my discussion with you was not to prove myself right. You proved me right, though, and I'm satisfied with that.
I agree with you on that the point of discussions is to gather more insights, hence why I put the "win" in apostrophes. You claim to understand me perfectly well, but you are false every time, because you are now making claims on my mentality and my ability to understand and speak the English language; both of which are irrelevant to the actual topic we were discussing, and both of which are no more than a personal attack. To top it off, you haven't changed my opinion either, which means there is more falsehood in your post (by claiming you were the only one to maintain a solid stance). I think we can both agree that, when it comes to what discussions should be about, we have both lost, considering no opinions have changed, and neither of us have gathered new proper insights, other than that our opinions are (still) different. You have degraded to the level of a troll. I dismiss all further supposed value of your post. @Your last post: Quote:
Unless your notion of "it works" and "I like it" are fundamentally different, I'm not assuming anything about your opinion.
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