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[Vanilla Mnm]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

I don't know. I kind of think Kanon-Kanon should just be a 75. MAYBE a 76. With all these 76s/77s being moved down (Well, being talked about moving down) I don't think Kanon-Kanon is much harder if any harder than any of them.

[Niala]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

I was leaving my indexing preference out of it But Niala that's a good explanation thanks =)

Kanon Kanon should be FMO it's a lot harder than it seems.

You're welcome, glad I could help.

You bring up a good point Vanilla, but before the changes are final it's hard to judge what the new breaking point between VC and FMO will be, so, for now, Kanon Kanon I think should be moved up.

[bballa48]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

CSGS is not a FMO, I suck at jacks and I can near AAA it on command. The jacks are not that hard, they only come in sets of three until the end part which are just as long as ones in Fei Longer(Challenge) and Starlight(VC). Chill out on it being a Fmo because it wont be one.

Sorry dude, this just isn't true. They are WAY to fast to be VC. I am not great at jacks but I don't suck at them, and I get scores like 8-0-5-5 all the time. Sorry, look at my VC stats, I don't get scores like that on VCs. You can slam me for saying "I", but "I" am the only person I can base my opinions on.

[leonid]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

CSGS is only slightly easier than Club

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

if CSGS had one more minute of the same difficulty, like the stepfile was repeated but mirrored (like BT37), it'd be FMO for sure

it's just too damn short

[leonid]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Hard part in Club lasts only 30 seconds

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

hard (FMO-worthy) part in CSGS lasts four seconds

[TC_Halogen]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

I haven't been abusing I, except to say that don't trust me on this song

You're doing good.

CSGS is not a FMO, I suck at jacks and I can near AAA it on command. The jacks are not that hard, they only come in sets of three until the end part which are just as long as ones in Fei Longer(Challenge) and Starlight(VC). Chill out on it being a Fmo because it wont be one.

CSGS's jacks are relatively slow, they come in sets of 4 and that is the only difficult section of the song. They don't even keep up with some of the 9s on FFR outside of that section. Fei Longer is an example of a song that parallels in difficulty to it because it has jacks in set 7+. The speed is what keep Fei a 9 and CSGS a 10.

Can someone please give their opinions on the song Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran! because I think it's worse than Pants but others may not

Pants has ugly patterns at the end being that some of the jumps are UD in a constant offsync run. Splitting the jump is pretty much a guarantee for you to get goods. Setsujou has awkward patterns, but they are decently easy to learn and you don't have to worry about offsync sections.

My opinion is I have 10 goods on it. It might be tough to AAA (wouldn't know) but in terms of reading/FC difficulty it's not even high FMO.

Aside from the hand jacks that pose a combo threat in Setsujou, it's just a solid FMO, nothing ridiculously hard or easy about it.

That's not a good reason at all. If mirror was PUBLIC, then it would be, but it's unfair to judge it this way. Not everybody has access to mirror, so judging a song based on how easy it is on mirror is kind of unfair. Same goes with Club, you can cut your score in half on mirror, no problem, but it's still an [Oni]-unlock. In all due honesty, you are right, Radio Heads on mirror is disgustingly easier than without it, comparison being my 40+goods without mirror and a missflag (FML) with mirror. But that doesn't really make it fair to judge it based on mirror.

It is a good reason because pretty much everyone on the entire site knows about the beta .swf. Everyone has access to it whether we like it or not, but it's also stealing. It's not like anyone can stop the beta from being spread (unless you upload it and change the link name, something I wish would happen. Club is nearly the same situation except it's constant jumps--you are ALWAYS balancing something on both hands in the hardest parts of the song whereas Radio Heads gives you 8th note/4th note breaks.

Nobody mentioned my thoughts on Kanon Kanon, FMO, or leave it? It's really fast, which makes the stream and jumps really hard. Even the ending where it's only 8th stepjumps, but the single arrows are on the same as the jumps... I think it could make a fine FMO. P.S. One-handed trills.

I fought with a few people about this and took a lot of fire from this a while back. Kanon Kanon isn't a FMO. The song is chock full of nothing but 8th notes. The one handed trill can turn into a slow jump jack and you'll get all perfects. The stepjumps are very slow for a song that's FMO as well. The patterns flow really well even with some jacks in the stepjumps.

I personally still think CSGS is FMO material, the long jacks are hard, the short jumpjack section after it is too. I can see why it isn't, because it's short with only a couple of hard parts, but I can also see why it is...

Read above.

Setsujou is harder than it's given credit for. It really has everything: jacks; jumpstream; awkward patterns during the jumpy 16th section for the verses; triplets and quads; triplet jacks (I thought this needed mentioning... ); there's probably more to mention, but I can't think of anything. It really is one of the harder FMO's. It's definitely not harder than Pants, the jumpstream in Pants is so consistent that it just makes people tired, and it's not easy jumpstream either, whereas the jumpstream in Setsujou is kind of... simple. Most of it fits nicely. Not to mention Pants is like twice as long.

Read above as well.

See, Aj, No "I"'s.
(Or few, but only to emphasise points. )

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

lmao you can jumpjack the 86 trill in kanon x2 what ahahahahahaha

wait, so I can AAA purple by hitting well timed 115 bpm sixteenth jumps? rofl

[TC_Halogen]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Believe it or not, if you're REALLY REALLY good at timing it, you can hit all of the runs in Dendrite v2 with only jumps. >_>;

I got like 40 perfects in a row doing just that since the patterns are spins. xD

[Niala]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Will respond to things in morning. Must do chemistry and sleep.

[qqwref]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

TC_Halogen: I think you can hit any stream as jumps only as long as each pair of notes is 2 or fewer frames apart (so, 225+ bpm 16ths). It would be incredibly impressive if someone AAA'd a song like this.

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Believe it or not, if you're REALLY REALLY good at timing it, you can hit all of the runs in Dendrite v2 with only jumps. >_>;

I got like 40 perfects in a row doing just that since the patterns are spins. xD

On Dendrite that's true, on Kanon-Kanon, when I AAA'd, I jumped that trill, do you know how many times it took to perfect that? An upward of 58 tries on it, it's ridiculous, as much as I totally respect your opinion TC, I must respectfully disagree. I still think it's an FMO, the chains are way too fast and draining compared to any VC I know, and the trill, but I stopped fighting this over, if it's VC, it will be the cut off, as it is now on my list (and JX's) it's the hardest VC, and hopefully, will always be

[TC_Halogen]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

TC_Halogen: I think you can hit any stream as jumps only as long as each pair of notes is 2 or fewer frames apart (so, 225+ bpm 16ths). It would be incredibly impressive if someone AAA'd a song like this.

30 FPS = .033 seconds per frame
and 225 BPM 16ths (900 TPM) = 15 TPS (half of the game's rendering speed)

I see what you're saying now. That'd make a lot of sense to me. So anything below this time would have you going in and out of the perfect window, where you'd get a majority perfects with a few goods sprinkled in.

[jimerax]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

well, thx for opinions.

[most likely vc]
SC, Silence, K8107(auto vc if silence is), LW4(100+ AAAs and it's secret)
[likely vc]
GOSW, Novo, Choprite
[probably not]
BNE, STP

need to make a final decision for [likely vc] ones.

also, minor changes of old songs.
Club 81->80
FOTB 79->80
BBevo 80->79
EHHS 80->79
Runny 80->81
4chord 82->81
FFLBF 81->80