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[Vanilla Mnm]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
None Would Escape - VC
Bus Rides With People - VC
Kil Stage - VC
Twelve - VC
Kanon Kanon - VC
Keep In Mind - VC
Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC
Szerencsetlen - VC
Feldschlacht - VC
For FFR - VC
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Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC
Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC
K8107 - FMO, could be VC
Silence - FMO, could be VC
Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC
Choprite - FMO, could be VC
Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC
Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC
Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC

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300 - FMO
Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
Hajnal - FMO
Thrash - FMO
The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
3020 - FMO
Blue-Violet - FMO
Scythe of 13 - FMO
Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
Night and Day - FMO

Novo Mundo DEFINITELY. Novo Mundo is much easier than For FFR. Silence should definitely be a VC, it's only slow jumpstream. Southern Cross PROBABLY should be a VC, another song easier than For FFR, the other ones I would say keep FMO.

[who_cares973]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

novo mundo is much harder than for ffr

[Niala]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
None Would Escape - VC
Bus Rides With People - VC
Kil Stage - VC
Twelve - VC
Kanon Kanon - VC
Keep In Mind - VC
Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC
Szerencsetlen - VC
Feldschlacht - VC
For FFR - VC
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Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC Maybe, I'm really bad at this chart, though, so I can't really give a good opinion.
Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC Okay.
K8107 - FMO, could be VC Hrm... The end is kind of FMOish, but still slow enough to make it a VC. Sure, VC.
Silence - FMO, could be VC On one hand, blue note syndrome, on the other, really not that hard jumpstream... very borderline.
Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC No awkward patterns, not terribly fast... VC it I guess. It is kind of long.
Choprite - FMO, could be VC Lots of awkward patterns, FMO.
Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC FMO. Jacks= hard. Jumps at end=harder. FMO.
Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC Def VC. It's just fast and has one stupid 32nd area that isn't even hard to do...
Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC FMO for awkward 16th-24thjumpstep patterns, length. It has a lot of weird Silly Symphony-like patterns I find, so FMO works here.

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300 - FMO
Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
Hajnal - FMO
Thrash - FMO
The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
3020 - FMO
Blue-Violet - FMO
Scythe of 13 - FMO
Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
Night and Day - FMO

Pulled a who_cares973.

Also, CSGS and Kanon Kanon could both be FMO's. Kanon is actually really hard. CSGS has really difficult jacks. Just sayin'.

[qqwref]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

CSGS has really difficult jacks. Just sayin'.

You are wrong here, they are not difficult at all for anyone (except you and me). It is not FMO because people complained it was way too easy.


I think if we're going to start worrying about VC/FMO borderlines we should either:
- establish a definite guideline for what is VC and what's FMO (or establish a cutoff song)
- or just say everything that doesn't get [Oni] anymore is VC and be done with it.
Of course I think the VC rank is getting too huge (I think I suggested VC -> FEO (high VC/low FMO) -> FMO -> FGO -> 13 a while back but nobody listened) so I'd rather keep everything that's FMO in the FMO category but nobody else cares so w/e.

[Niala]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

You are wrong here, they are not difficult at all for anyone (except you and me). It is not FMO because people complained it was way too easy.


I think if we're going to start worrying about VC/FMO borderlines we should either:
- establish a definite guideline for what is VC and what's FMO (or establish a cutoff song)
- or just say everything that doesn't get [Oni] anymore is VC and be done with it.
Of course I think the VC rank is getting too huge (I think I suggested VC -> FEO (high VC/low FMO) -> FMO -> FGO -> 13 a while back but nobody listened) so I'd rather keep everything that's FMO in the FMO category but nobody else cares so w/e.

They're not hard for me, I'm just saying they're hard in general. I don't know if you checked, but I was actually in the first 10 AAA's on that song. It's just a personal opinion, but it seems about as hard to AAA as a lot of the FMO's that are out there now.
I also agree with your ideas, FEO most prominently. It seems like the best way to resolve the whole "these songs are too easy for FMO because we're all getting better now" thing. Of course, then we'd have two borderlines, but they'd be more definite. If not, just make everything that doesn't give [Oni] a VC, and everything that does an FMO and have it done with.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

If not, just make everything that doesn't give [Oni] a VC, and everything that does an FMO and have it done with.

it's been suggested before, no idea why this wasn't actually implemented

[foilman8805]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

cuz everyone is stubborn as hell

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

o rite

[who_cares973]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

lets be cool at make a cutoff song like otfd


8)

[TC_Halogen]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

it's been suggested before, no idea why this wasn't actually implemented

That'd make Radio Heads a VC because of the current [Oni] list. I don't think Radio Heads is THAT easy.

Personally, the cut-off to FMO should be Black Key Etude. It's got just enough technicality to stay in FMO with the jacks in awkward spots as well as the ending, not to mention holding a constant 24th run. If that's too lenient, then make the cut-off Summer Time Perfume, dock Choprite to VC (I don't get the awkward patterns that you guys are talking about except for that burst at like 1600 iirc), Silence to VC (BNS, but rhythm can be found 1/16th of a note in a direction, not sure if it's early or late), and LWIV to VC (obv.)--Novo Mundo can stay FMO because of the odd 32nd patterns + rolls, K8107 can stay FMO because of the ending. Also--Southern Cross can get docked because it has nothing really hard in it aside from a small 32nd burst here or there.

[foilman8805]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

alright make the divine suicide of k a vc

[One Winged Angel]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

bump down novo mundo and LWIV, LWIV as hardest VC

edit: @AJ, that song should definitely be on the list so I have no fuccen clue why it isn't...I thought they just took off **** like NWE, LWIV, Silence, etc....the **** with tons of AAAs...I don't think radio heads even has 40 AAAs so wtf

p.s. god damn, just make every fuccen FMO that's x/6 on the tier list a VC and keep everything that's x/7, like geez

[TC_Halogen]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

I don't think Novo should be docked since it's got combinations of jumpstreams and 32nds. Those aren't too common in VCs to begin with.

TDSoK is a very long song, has a lot of strange patterns, and has a pretty tough speed section at the end. Easy FMO but still there.

[foilman8805]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

well, in the spirit of making cut-off songs that actually aren't cut-off songs (a la OTFD), i picked divine suicide of k.

made sense to me. and yeah, it is kind of long, but it's a piss easy 'FMO'. it's my highest ranked, and near SDG. i suck balls at FMOs if that's any indication too.

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
None Would Escape - VC
Bus Rides With People - VC
Kil Stage - VC
Twelve - VC
Kanon Kanon - VC
Keep In Mind - VC
Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC This needs to be FMO, NOW
Szerencsetlen - VC
Feldschlacht - VC
For FFR - VC
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Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC Leave it, fast stream and trills are evil, low FMO
Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC Could be, but rolls leave it FMO
K8107 - FMO, could be VC could be VC, but I suck at trills so...
Silence - FMO, could be VC Make VC, please
Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC should be VC
Choprite - FMO, could be VC leave it
Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC leave it
Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC I suck at this song, so I'm not saying ****
Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC leave it

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300 - FMO
Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
Hajnal - FMO
Thrash - FMO
The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
3020 - FMO why is this even on this list? This is a HARD FMO, it's an 80 for Christ's (Moses') sake!
Blue-Violet - FMO
Scythe of 13 - FMO
Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
Night and Day - FMO Why is this here too? This is a solid FMO, srsly

Opinions in bold