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  • DaBackpack
    ~ お ま ん こ ~
    • Mar 2014
    • 918

    #2746
    Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

    I knew this was gonna be too obtuse but it was too fun to stick in there, and plus it's a soft that nobody else can use to PR hunt me (or so I thought) and only would make sense unless I explained what's so special about SNNs

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    what's up gamers

    who's ready to get spiked?

    [img]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deboleena_Roy4/publication/333854733/figure/fig1/AS:771197960732674@1560879330562/The-dynamics-of-a-spiking-neural-network-SNN-A-A-two-layer-feed-forward-SNN-at-any.png[/twg]
    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    that's right fellas. Spiking Neural Network has entered the chat.

    Real talk though. What neural coding we dropping at boys?
    when any neuron in the network fires, it inhibits the activation of any "nearby" neurons. this is commonly believed to be an energy-efficiency measure in the human brain so that it doesn't need 100 neurons to fire when 1 neuron has the same information. the metaphor here is that when I "activate" I "block" another neuron from firing. it's something that nobody else would ever get on their own, but was also something that was DISTINCTLY roleblocker and not angel, cop, etc. (except I guess for mason, which Xiz misinterpreted it as)

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    it's on page 2 of my spiking character sheet
    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    spiking
    following is a literal soft, replying to a question about town roleblockers

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    there are town roleblockers in this setup
    one of the reasons I blew up against Xiz was that he was PR hunting me and Duskfall. Xiz brought up the spiking neural networks thing as why he thought I was a mason so I made it a point to dismiss it entirely for self-protection. After Xiz says that he read my opening posts as softs:

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    the spiking NN thing was just because I had just delivered a work talk about spiking NNs and I was gonna do some stupid meme entrance to this game

    there is no semantic significance to those posts
    when FFA fakeclaiming cop, I got excited made some references to him getting spiked if he didn't rescind his claim

    before he hardclaimed, I left these references to see if he would back off of me without me needing to out myself:

    (b-buddy being deliberate)

    These pages are the mechanisms by which the blocker neuron stifles the activity of other neurons in the network.

    Five hours later I came back and just full-claimed because FFA was totally willing to throw the game for his own ego and stubbornness

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    Alright well I was gonna try to do this without claiming but fuck you guys for putting me at L-1 AGAIN

    I'm hard claiming roleblocker. Night 1 I sheathed, last night I roleblocked FFA. He is 100% full of shit, please lynch this asshole
    that's how I created a context for softing roleblocker that should have been 100% safe against PR hunting


    Originally posted by Moogy
    no one cares
    Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
    there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
    that's kind of a sad statistic

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    • Bolth mannn
      FFR Veteran
      • Aug 2008
      • 2228

      #2747
      Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

      Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
      Sure, but when someone says the difference is marginal and "effectively the same", then that has to be corrected if the one possibility is 27 times more likely than the other.. right?


      Yea I suppose, I mean math isn’t really my thing either, but I wouldn’t decide a vote based on something being more mathematically likely in any case, unless it was like obscenely ridiculous odds

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      • Hakulyte
        Galaxy Collapse says hi
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #2748
        Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

        Looks like we're approaching the leap of faith lottery game where DBP/MML were both town and all the outsiders have the entire wolf team.

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        • Hakulyte
          Galaxy Collapse says hi
          • Jul 2005
          • 4697

          #2749
          Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

          Bolth hard claim please.

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          • DaBackpack
            ~ お ま ん こ ~
            • Mar 2014
            • 918

            #2750
            Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

            Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
            Sure, but when someone says the difference is marginal and "effectively the same", then that has to be corrected if the one possibility is 27 times more likely than the other.. right?
            No because you're not considering the actual statistical distribution of setups in the entire game. What's the standard deviation? It might be the case that TTTT is the "mean" set of T rolls, but even though the literal probability of TT is off by 25x, that 25x difference doesn't mean anything until you do a more comprehensive analysis and contextualize it against the other T-rolls. For example, TT is more likely than TTTTTTT and TTTTTT. So yeah, TTTT is more likely than TT but not in a meaningful way-- it's still like the 3rd-4th most likely outcome if you roll the entire setup

            you can prove this with Monte-Carlo simulation if you want to


            Originally posted by Moogy
            no one cares
            Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
            there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
            that's kind of a sad statistic

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            • leetic
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2020
              • 7

              #2751
              Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

              DBP's soft seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not something that has an obvious connection with the role like my soft

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              • ShadoWolfe
                FFR Player
                • Jun 2009
                • 171

                #2752
                Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                Originally posted by DaBackpack
                No because you're not considering the actual statistical distribution of setups in the entire game. What's the standard deviation? It might be the case that TTTT is the "mean" set of T rolls, but even though the literal probability of TT is off by 25x, that 25x difference doesn't mean anything until you do a more comprehensive analysis and contextualize it against the other T-rolls. For example, TT is more likely than TTTTTTT and TTTTTT. So yeah, TTTT is more likely than TT but not in a meaningful way-- it's still like the 3rd-4th most likely outcome if you roll the entire setup

                you can prove this with Monte-Carlo simulation if you want to
                I mean, you're not wrong with this but it's irrelevant because I'm not focusing on just the TT vs TTTT. The more important change is BBB vs just B.

                That's why I calculated probability for the two likeliest setups given the existing claims, in full, instead of just comparing TTTT/TT or BBB/B.





                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                Originally posted by XelNya
                " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                Originally posted by YoshL
                "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                Originally posted by mellon_collie
                "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                • DaBackpack
                  ~ お ま ん こ ~
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 918

                  #2753
                  Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                  Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                  I mean, you're not wrong with this but it's irrelevant because I'm not focusing on just the TT vs TTTT. The more important change is BBB vs just B.

                  That's why I calculated probability for the two likeliest setups given the existing claims, in full, instead of just comparing TTTT/TT or BBB/B.
                  Yeah, all other non-T roles have the same 10% chance. AAB is the same as VCB is the same as BBB. The number of T slots is the only significant factor--- the other slots are uniformly 10% for each one


                  Originally posted by Moogy
                  no one cares
                  Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
                  there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
                  that's kind of a sad statistic

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                  • MixMasterLar
                    Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 5401

                    #2754
                    Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                    ....ok, at that point either we believe DBP had planned the soft for a really long time or he's legit.

                    Meaning town literally just imploded on itself this game and wolves didnt even have to work for it.

                    What utter fools we are. I'm starting to get fucking livid about it again. I fucking wish i had just paid enough attention to had call out FFA's bullshit claim myself and keep DBP hidden instead of letting stupid town out two fu king PRs

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                    • ShadoWolfe
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 171

                      #2755
                      Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                      @DBP if you're town, then yesterday must've been somewhat illuminating for you, no?

                      being in the center of that clusterfuck, what were you thinking about the people commenting on your slot and did anyone stick out to you as having a particular agenda?





                      Originally posted by Hakulyte
                      I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                      Originally posted by XelNya
                      " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                      Originally posted by YoshL
                      "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                      Originally posted by mellon_collie
                      "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                      • DaBackpack
                        ~ お ま ん こ ~
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 918

                        #2756
                        Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                        Originally posted by leetic
                        DBP's soft seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not something that has an obvious connection with the role like my soft
                        I was having fun ok

                        as a soft it's an encryption mechanism that nobody else can independently solve to nightkill me and has exactly one proper semantic meaning as a soft: roleblocker

                        Spiking NNs in particular are the only ones with the blocking mechanism, that's literally the thing that makes them unique

                        it should be pretty fucking obvious by now that I'm a roleblocker and I'm pretty annoyed that I have to spend my time defending it against stupid standards and tinfoil possibilities


                        Originally posted by Moogy
                        no one cares
                        Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
                        there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
                        that's kind of a sad statistic

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                        • Bolth mannn
                          FFR Veteran
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2228

                          #2757
                          Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          Bolth hard claim please.


                          I did earlier

                          VT

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                          • MixMasterLar
                            Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 5401

                            #2758
                            Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                            ....

                            I'll believe DBP
                            I'll believe Leetic

                            ----
                            I think Shadow is getting a free pass here because the thread is nuts, but I had Uli has town and he's being after

                            ----
                            I've no strong reason to townread Dusk
                            I've no strong reason to townread Haku
                            I've no reason whatever to townread Bolth
                            I've no reason whatever to even keep Jessie alive

                            If not for the complete clusterhell that are these claims, i probably would have voted Jessie last phase

                            Dusk and Haku had attempted blocks. One most certainly was blocked. From my perspective in reads it comes down to Bolth and Jessie likely scum, so who doea it nake sense for them to be partner with the most outta Dusk and Haku

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                            • MixMasterLar
                              Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 5401

                              #2759
                              Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                              Haku did you link me your old reads list or did you never make any?

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                              • MixMasterLar
                                Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 5401

                                #2760
                                Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                                Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                                ....
                                ----
                                I think Shadow is getting a free pass here because the thread is nuts, but I had Uli has town and he's being after
                                After?

                                Trying to say around here

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