TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[Vendetta21]

uhh what do you want elaborated???

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I like some of what you said but still am not convinced we should lynch zenith today. was your goal to convince me to lynch Zenith??

I mean in voting Zenith the goal is to convince everyone to vote Zenith, no? You vote someone you want them dead, unless you're baiting them and even then, if you're baiting them that means you're suspicious.

You or someone else wanted my thought process, so I posted it as such. Less as an argument and more as a statement.

[choof]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I find choof can be more aggressive as a wolf d0 where human he is more concerned on why the fuck half of the posts are actually posted.

whatever you're smoking, I want some of that

[Vendetta21]

I don't want to type a lot I'm on a phone so it has been for awhile my pattern to come up with imagery or metaphors to reduce the number of times I have to tap the screen. What are you at most unease about with what I have said or asked?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Red Plaster gutreads scum here due to how he approached the game (not being here for a portion of the first day of d0). Usually as town he posts more frequently while also getting blasted by numerous players for just being him which is dumb but right now he sets off that null/slight red lean.

Okay one more I'm sorry but this one also stuck out. If you read his posts you'd figure out that he's at some sort of convention this weekend and his posts have been in quick bursts. He's posted almost the same amount of content as myself and James May, so I think this read is suspect as well.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I could tell you my thoughts verbatim, but you could also iso his posting history to see the complete works of YMIA. If you do that, I'd like to be convinced about why his behavior doesn't seem wholly neutral and detached compared to others.

You mention my "neutrality" while not really elaborating on this. If you want to go in on that fact then I'm confused why you're not, especially coming from you. I'm used to you speaking very clearly and directly about your points, right now you're kind of bouncing around it, not seeming to want to directly make a point. It feels almost "neutral" from you too.

[yo man im awesome]

It's less what you've said/asked, it's how you're going about it.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I mean in voting Zenith the goal is to convince everyone to vote Zenith, no? You vote someone you want them dead, unless you're baiting them and even then, if you're baiting them that means you're suspicious.

You or someone else wanted my thought process, so I posted it as such. Less as an argument and more as a statement.

You couched the actual reasoning for your zenith vote in a wall of text including other people. I asked you for more giving you deference in case you were genuine, hoping your goal was to change my mind about killing zenith. You iso'd a quote weaker than the shit in your novella, and then tangented from wanting to kill zenith. Do you understand my perspective?

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

You mention my "neutrality" while not really elaborating on this. If you want to go in on that fact then I'm confused why you're not, especially coming from you. I'm used to you speaking very clearly and directly about your points, right now you're kind of bouncing around it, not seeming to want to directly make a point. It feels almost "neutral" from you too.

Before I got on your case what do you honestly think was your useless:useful post ratio? Did you actually try to satisfy a curiosity any time you hit that "Submit" button? Do you want me to be uselessly pedantic in describing neutrality or is what I have said sufficient in expressing my thoughts?

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

You couched the actual reasoning for your zenith vote in a wall of text including other people. I asked you for more giving you deference in case you were genuine, hoping your goal was to change my mind about killing zenith. You iso'd a quote weaker than the shit in your novella, and then tangented from wanting to kill zenith. Do you understand my perspective?

my iso was more that I found it after posting

I don't wait to post I post what I'm thinking at the given moment because I don't want to lose my train of thought

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Before I got on your case what do you honestly think was your useless:useful post ratio? Did you actually try to satisfy a curiosity any time you hit that "Submit" button? Do you want me to be uselessly pedantic in describing neutrality or is what I have said sufficient in expressing my thoughts?

I didn't have a single useful post prior to today, but that's not me trying to be neutral. You're thinking too hard; I was actually just piss-drunk.

But I guess that's fine.

[choof]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

You mention my "neutrality" while not really elaborating on this.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Leaving in about 10 minutes for my college orchestra concert; viewing for my music class. Once im home and get back ill get meta on you guys and read the thread for once

rzr is in this game i think

slank cover followed by a vote that I can only assume was for the sake of voting

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

No lynch is bad
Fyi

minimal content post iterating what's already been said, feels like you posted this having read only the page this post was on

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Zenith hey no unviting allowed be confident in urdself and ur vote please

"safe" vote, not going to ruffle any feathers and let's you get away with a vote without having to explain anything

[roundbox]

Just gonna fire off observations as I see them as I do another re-read.

YoshL mindmelded me on the no-bullshit approach and defended the setup point against Zenith and choof (minor town points), but then he broke out into an argument with Zenith (which was bound to happen anyway, and I foresee this happening with Red Blaster). For YoshL, an argument against Zenith can be done regardless of alignment. One thing that stood out was this quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL

seeing as you're one of the poopholes that are on invisible, and are currently refusing to get off of it, i'd say that zenith is a very good initial place to leave a vote in my eyes

While I'm in agreement that invisible is annoying, I can easily tell if Zenith is looking at the thread since he's the only invisible setting player we have. This doesn't seem like a good point to push as Zenith has been invisible for the last infinity TWGs and I don't think now of all games would indicate he's a good lynch target for today. There are plenty of other things you can lynch someone else for, and I don't think a game-wide gripe about being invisible is valid enough of a reason here.

Originally Posted by YoshL

LMFAO WE GOT ONE GUYS

this is the most obvious "i don't want to directly say my alignment" post there is holy fuck hahahahahah

this is a better reason to pursue a vote

Originally Posted by YoshL

even making a response to "dabackpack and zenith are wolves", i'm pretty sure they're both actually wolves lol

You at least gave DaBackpack a chance to confirm his callsign last game. What's different now? Is something fucky going on here aside from you being drunk?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

YoshL why do you think this is towny

I viewed it the opposite way

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

honestly Zenith's challenge of that statement gives him some points

still null across the board though

DaBackpack sounds genuine and unfiltered here so he's off to a good start (at least for not being a wolf, beware the SK from this one)

Originally Posted by rzr

I refuse to. As a wolf it was easier to maintain, I wanna throw a vote now to spark something and if I were to, it'd be on roundbox. But I told the guys in the livetwg I will forever go out of my way to avoid voting if I can, regardless of my role.

Aside from the really scummy bolded statement, rzr indicating a possible vote on me tells me he's different from the last two games. The past two games, rzr was a wolf and pocketed me incredibly hard. For him to post something like this right off of the bat indicates that there's probably something different with his alignment. I'm placing him in my human lean pile for now.


Posting this and reading new stuff in thread before continuing

[choof]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

because I don't want to lose my train of thought

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I was actually just piss-drunk.

nothing to be had out of these two quotes
just that it's funny

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by choof

slank cover followed by a vote that I can only assume was for the sake of voting


minimal content post iterating what's already been said, feels like you posted this having read only the page this post was on


"safe" vote, not going to ruffle any feathers and let's you get away with a vote without having to explain anything

I can see the top two, the third however I was long since deep in alcohol.

[Vendetta21]

Yeah I'm still on the ymia train. I don't feel satisfied by his responses at all.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Why Roundbox?


Oh Roundbox, Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Pretty sure I've already explained this, but I'll say it again. There is no theorycrafting that can be done at this point aside from looking at this one data point and saying, "yep, it's there." Anyone pursuing setup possibilities in this thread is either doing so out of complete stupidity (impossible to deduce anything) or as a diversionary tactic to confuse.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

No One

I may be getting ahead of myself here, but I would very much like to absorb this d0 phase and not lynch anyone because it helps everyone in this game for a phase (with obvious checks and balances about this).

I think this is kinda human-y for Zenith for what it's worth, but it could be one of those "fuck it, last resort" moments (which would be a little strange since this is only a few hours into d0). YoshL sees it as red coming from Zenith, but I will say I do agree with his reasoning on why it's bad. No lynch removes accountability from wolves and delays wagonomics and other great pieces of information.

Originally Posted by rzr

DBP, I would respectfully disagree. Though, in terms of the events so far, if I were to place a vote it would not be viable and I don't want to give anyone the chance to run with my thoughts until I form them properly and address them. True, my only power is my vote. That vote, currently, is moot. And if everyone rushed yosh or Zenith right now, I would not be voting. Don't believe in insta, seems too easy to give the game away

You can place a vote to apply pressure and force someone to squirm at the prospect of being lynched. Like plop said, no intelligently functioning wolf is going to rush votes at someone on d0, considering there are only three of them. Insta is at 7, so it would take a good amount of time to reach that point. It's good for rattling some bones.
Pressure votes are different from "I want to see this guy on the noose" votes.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

zenith/yoshl going hard at each other hasn't really leaned me either way on their alignments

I wanna say this is lazy since I think you can piece some stuff together if you actually read into their argument instead of saying "oh these two guys are yelling at each other, w/e let's move one"
I know you're crunched on time, but come on, you can do better than this.

Originally Posted by rzr

This I will agree with, and that's why I was close to tossing a vote on roundbox to see his reaction. But I'm not a fan of random votes, and if I ever do you can see it will have been a safety to avoid a phantom.

Originally Posted by rzr

And yet, plop, who here has disappeared? Roundbox.
Simply put, I find his tone very strong at game start. It bothers me since he usually seems to watch more at first. And I would tend to say just based on the dicking around between him and yosh, that there is some alignment there between them. So, if I have to bold his name and color it red to get his attention, than it seems I'm not the one not doing my job lol

Bolded points contradict each other. I get that you're apprehensive to place votes for pressure since it's not something you've really done before, but you clearly had some sort of reason for pressuring me and it's definitely not "random".

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

not disagreeing with you, but what happens if there are 2 killing powers

I'm not about to consider a no lynch just for this possibility. What if there are 3 killing powers? Arguing about this is only going to get nowhere considering we only have one data point. DaBackpack, you're moving back into null for this.

Originally Posted by YoshL

even with multiple killing power, do we want to operate under those assumptions? regardless of the night kp a lynch is still the way imo.

Agreed. YoshL can now enter my town circle for d0.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

misdirection

Something tells me DaBackpack is scumreading YoshL. Is this correct?


dropping this and checking current posts

[rzr]

I keep getting my phone buzzing saying you guys are quoting me, I don't have time to lok right now ): So I'll be back later

We got the car, watching football and grocery shopping then I'll check in

[thesunfan]

Votecount:
DaBackPack (2)- Yoshl, Plop
Zenith (1)- ymia
ymia (2)- V, choof
Unvote - Zenith

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by rzr

Maybe it's cuz I'm not a wolf?

jk.

I've said this 50 times, I'm trying to maintain an all-across-the-board meta, so if you can read me differently now than I am not doing my job correctly haha

This reminds me of Zenith in a previous game where he said he was forcefully changing his meta. Was this in my mystery game? Either way, I don't like posts like this. It's not incriminating, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Leaving in about 10 minutes for my college orchestra concert; viewing for my music class. Once im home and get back ill get meta on you guys and read the thread for once


rzr is in this game i think

What is this vote? What is the sake of this post? Why not wait until later to enter the thread when you actually have time? This kinda feels like posting for the sake of posting. Honestly, if you made this post without the vote, I wouldn't dislike it so much.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

there's a > 50% chance of having more than 1 KP because of V rolls, but whatever

I still think it was a bad assumption to use to push for lynching over no-lynching

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this is pretty standard, the real question is what % of those posts have good content

Okay, cool. Why not give us an answer to this question instead of repeating its existence?

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

hey huys crodsfaded now this istoo good the wolves ave beeen determined

the wolves aer Zenith rzr and someonr ekse

i think plop is legit

I know you're drunk during this post but you should probably expand on the Zenith/rzr point. (NOTE: YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS AND I WILL ADDRESS IT AS SOON AS I MAKE IT TO THAT POST)
And plop is legit how? A point he made? The fact that he's human (lmao)?

Originally Posted by XelNya

Go wash your hands, you dipped them in Zenith of all fucking things.

Like shit, I think you might need to cut them off at this point.

/Gonna side note from shit posting for a sec to say this shit is weird and I do not like it. Not a bit.

What shit is weird? Elaborate.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Wait a minute, do you really think I was the data point roundbox was talking about? His speculation didn't even bring me into the equation whatsoever lmao.

Hey cool I wasn't the only one that felt this way

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Skimmed the thread and basically picked up these key points:

Plop confirmed human
YoshL/Zenith shitstorm
Round's early setup observation post
rzr's weird posts about voting D0
Xel's big post

It would be nice if you briefly mentioned any sort of impact these points might have.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I want V to come in here and yell at me.

This seems weird since you stated that you're not really into confrontations early in the thread. Why are you waiting for V to yell at you? Are you trying to find more avenues for people to townread you? I don't like this post at all. --town points

Originally Posted by choof

big post #1

human lean for this reason: reading into the yoshl/zenith debacle. What is your view on YoshL's alignment? I know you said Zenith came out looking more towny here, but does this make YoshL a wolf in your perspective?

Originally Posted by choof

this is even more of a contradiction: nothing about this is random
if you have an inkling of a read on roundbox, then why would it be a random vote?

hey look I said this too

Originally Posted by choof

swinging on a hinge how
the following are reflected in my posts:

zenith is probably town
yoshl is scummier than zenith but also townie
roundbox's point was weird to bring up, he's null
rzr is wishy-washy and I believe he is a good candidate for a lynch today, so far
argakiayase hasn't posted much, but I think the post that I quoted was a strong town slip or a strong wolf slip
dapackback is truly null

everyone else is mostly null

however I will say that ymia's decision to post while drunk might have come from a town. in my experience with him, he's not reckless; I don't think he would post when he's likely to be more open

looks like you answered my above questions

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

No one else see the bland neutrality the looks like woof that I do in YMIA? It literally popped out to me as I read through the thread.

Is this common for YMIA? I've never played with him before. Can someone else chime in on this in addition to V? I know choof and plop have said something but I'm pretty sure there are more people in this thread who have played with him. I'm currently feeling sketchy vibes from his posts (haven't really read into his sober posts yet).

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

rzr really likes TWG and will be invested/give a shit/be hyped up no matter his alignment, I think.

I would also agree with this, V.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

BIG POST

Lots of these points are summaries instead of observations, and then you arrive at Zenith as being your voting target. This vote feels very misplaced considering it looks like you've only read the first few pages of the thread. Please read more.