My older step-cousin just got sentenced

[GuidoHunter]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Evolution is undirected.

What if I told you that evolution has no reason or purpose?

Where do y'all get these silly ideas?

--Guido

[choof]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

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[L.B.D.D]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

guido is a married man now

He Is Different

[Reincarnate]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Where do y'all get these silly ideas?

--Guido

well, it's science

[devonin]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Where do y'all get these silly ideas?

--Guido

y'all'l get annoyed and leave before you convince anybody of anything different.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

well, it's science

What science? Because nonequilibrium thermodynamics says otherwise.

--Guido

[L.B.D.D]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

get em cowboy

[Reincarnate]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

What science? Because nonequilibrium thermodynamics says otherwise.

--Guido

Are you one of those anti-evolution nuts?


Edit: W/e I don't even care anymore lmfao, been down this road too many times before.

[Nullifidian]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html

[GuidoHunter]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Everything in the natural universe is ordered to degrade gradients, life and non-life alike. Evolution only serves to increase the efficiency of these processes; it's an integral part, so no, I'm not anti-evolution.

EDIT: Spit, it's exactly this line of thinking that is used to debunk the idiotic notion that the Second Law somehow refutes evolution.

--Guido

[L.B.D.D]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

bb evo

[Dynam0]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Evolution is undirected.

Also this is veering close to naturalistic fallacy/appeal to nature. All sorts of stuff evolves that has little to do with survival (and plenty of natural things will kill you just the same, notwithstanding). Just because something has a particular perceived "purpose" doesn't make it any more right/wrong than anything else. That's only something we can judge on its own merits.

The point is that many people are born with a preference they have no control over, much like anyone else with a natural inclination towards a particular sex, gender, race, body type, personality, etc.

It just happens to be that pedophiles are attracted to something that is socially unacceptable and very easily abused/exploited. Most pedophiles, though, are not child molesters, and vice-versa. The words get used interchangeably even though they are different things.

Yeah I didn't really want to steer this into that kind of debate but I was providing a reason for why most males would have a heterosexual disposition . This is totally an ethical issue anyways...the reasons for having a sexual preference for young boys/girls can be influenced from genetic make-up or environmental factors, I don't care to discuss where the attractions come from anymore since it's been beaten to death.

The thing some people still seem to be at odds with is if it is unethical to download and own child pornography, which, I just...can't understand how you can think this is not condoning child abuse. Understand that the unethical intent for collecting this material is to fulfill sexual fantasy and not for educative purposes. Comparing this to watching videos of suicides and murders is a weak platform because people watch these things for educative or even sympathetic purposes. "Oh wow, what if that happened to me? So this is what death looks like" etc. The person isn't enjoying the material and fantasizing about carrying it out themselves (and if they are, I would say that is unethical too).

[blindreper1179]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

[17:39:30] <&Moogy> i get arrested for child porn every day...
This seems relevant.

[Reincarnate]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Yeah I didn't really want to steer this into that kind of debate but I was providing a reason for why most males would have a heterosexual disposition . This is totally an ethical issue anyways...the reasons for having a sexual preference for young boys/girls can be influenced from genetic make-up or environmental factors, I don't care to discuss where the attractions come from anymore since it's been beaten to death.

My point is that even if you can point to a "reason" for a particular trait showing up, all you can really say is that various traits show up with different probabilities -- some being far more probable than others.

And yes, environment can definitely play a role, too. It's never any one thing -- but the point here was to show that for many people, it's definitely not an active choice. Lots of preferences are utterly hardwired.

The thing some people still seem to be at odds with is if it is unethical to download and own child pornography, which, I just...can't understand how you can think this is not condoning child abuse. Understand that the unethical intent for collecting this material is to fulfill sexual fantasy and not for educative purposes. Comparing this to watching videos of suicides and murders is a weak platform because people watch these things for educative or even sympathetic purposes. "Oh wow, what if that happened to me? So this is what death looks like" etc. The person isn't enjoying the material and fantasizing about carrying it out themselves (and if they are, I would say that is unethical too).

Personally, I tend to agree -- I think owning it should be illegal. It's hard to argue in favor of implicitly supporting a market that is built on completely ruining/traumatizing/damaging innocent children.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

If we are going to go that far and agree to that, can we not agree that such feelings really don't have a proper place in society? The only way to act on it would be to support child abuse, after all. I suppose this is where animated loli hentai BS comes in again, though.

Also LOL @ "Evolution has no direction"