Ingame Song Information - Page 169

who_cares973 · 12-24-2010, 12:00 PM

Hands are allowed in lower difficulty files now. I'm not able to play ffr so I can't say anything about the new files

stavie33 · 12-24-2010, 12:08 PM

holy crap, the six new files are all really rough in their own way, it'll take a while to AAA any of them (bury the hatchet would be easier, but now I has mental blockage). Damn though...tough stuff, I can't even FC the Chopin song due to the jackage

OneHandNow · 12-24-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

Stavie I wouldn't have a problem with you suggesting difficulty rating but really every single rating I've seen you give harder songs was based on how well you could do on the song vs how well you could do on other songs.

im gonna have to side with carlos on this one

stavie, you post like everyone can AAA fmos and fgos.. no -_- we are the top 5% if not 1% of the userbase that actually care about these ratings at all.. -_-;

although it's very hard to be objective, we should start from a more technical standpoint.. meaning is the song HARD on general? not on why jacks make a song an 83 or 82.. etc

**qqwref** · 12-24-2010, 01:17 PM

Stavie, your problem is that you have enough speed that you COMPLETELY ignore the speed component of files. You just can't comprehend the concept of one file being harder than another because of the speed or density alone. You're not alone - I've seen this in one or two other top players - but it means you have no valid say when it comes to difficulties of hard songs. Your opinions don't reflect how hard they are for the 99.99% of people with less skill than you, and thus they are worthless.

Anyone interested in taking a look at my objective difficulty comparing idea again? I guess it was missed. The basic gist is that you wait until a good chunk of people have played both file A and file B a few times, and then figure out how many people do better on file A than file B, and how many people do better on file B than file A, and if one is significantly bigger than the other it means one file is easier than the other. (We ignore people who haven't fully played both files, and people who have the same score on both files.)

who_cares973 · 12-24-2010, 01:38 PM

idea is great if you ignore the AAA's and the mashed scores

also stavie im cool with everyone and im never really "angry" at anyone

Xx{Midnight}xX · 12-24-2010, 01:45 PM

I've got a few questions.

Why is it for Speedvibe heavy there are a few 65's that don't unlock it? Is the rule gay like Oni is or is that just a mistake? (The songs that are 65's but not heavy unlocks: 65 (D2) Neon-213 (655 Notes / BPM 180); 65 (D2) Progression (936 Notes / BPM 125); 65 (D2) Wisdom (769 Notes / BPM 170); 65 (D2) {Adrenaline Pumper} (1082 Notes / BPM 174.5)

Also with the newly added FMO's does that mean more unlockable songs for Oni? And if so which ones?

**TC_Halogen** · 12-24-2010, 02:01 PM

I've wondered the same thing. I don't know how it works.

**i love you** · 12-24-2010, 02:15 PM

If i remembered correctly, I think it has something to do with jimerax not updating the list in over a year (i might be wrong though). Also, i agree that it's dumb that some of the FMO songs doesn't unlock Oni when the goal clearly says that you must AAA a FMO in order to unlock it.

**qqwref** · 12-24-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

idea is great if you ignore the AAA's and the mashed scores

If you have AAA on both songs, it'll be ignored, because they're considered to be equally good (same # of goods basically). You could ignore mashed scores if you want, by not counting people who have more than (say) 200 boos on either song, but that might get rid of legit scores that you might wanna count (for instance someone who can FC one song without mashing, but can't do the other one).

**TC_Halogen** · 12-24-2010, 02:17 PM

It goes along with the fact that the rating system might need a restructuring. Also, if there's not going to be a token for getting an FGO, it could be cool to extend the [Oni] token to FGOs as well. Just a thought.

who_cares973 · 12-24-2010, 02:20 PM

hmm yeah thats right. but if both of the songs are close to the same difficulty then if a person mashes one song then they'll most likely mash the other song as well. i guess to be safe only the scores that werent completely runs should be ignored like you mentioned

**i love you** · 12-24-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It goes along with the fact that the rating system might need a restructuring. Also, if there's not going to be a token for getting an FGO, it could be cool to extend the [Oni] token to FGOs as well. Just a thought.

Wow, why haven't this been done yet? I think this would make sense considering that a FGO AAA is much harder than a FMO AAA. Then again, the requirements only say to AAA a FMO so this thought might be ignored.

who_cares973 · 12-24-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It goes along with the fact that the rating system might need a restructuring. Also, if there's not going to be a token for getting an FGO, it could be cool to extend the [Oni] token to FGOs as well. Just a thought.

the reward is hardly worth the effort now for unlocking ONI. it would be unfair to those who manage to get a fgo AAA to reward them with a file like ONI

imo ST Scarhand would be a great unlock for an FGO AAA

OneHandNow · 12-24-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

imo ST Scarhand would be a great unlock for an FGO AAA

^ +1

Niala · 12-24-2010, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It goes along with the fact that the rating system might need a restructuring. Also, if there's not going to be a token for getting an FGO, it could be cool to extend the [Oni] token to FGOs as well. Just a thought.

Fun idea, but with the exception of 0 nobody would AAA an FGO before unlocking Oni from an FMO, seems like it's unnecessary.

**jimerax** · 12-24-2010, 06:59 PM

honestly AAA FMO/FGO is a pretty bad idea for s-token, in terms of maintenance.

We can't define difficulties in th req, need to specify the songs.

**SKG_Scintill** · 12-24-2010, 07:16 PM

Make K8107 give Oni :@
No really, why isn't it a FMO?

**TC_Halogen** · 12-24-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill

Make K8107 give Oni :@
No really, why isn't it a FMO?

I'd really like this question answered too. <_<

stavie33 · 12-24-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I'd really like this question answered too. <_<

when did it change? I thought it was still FMO, and it clearly is

**bmah** · 12-24-2010, 09:04 PM

I agree with jx in that skill token requirements should be based on static, not dynamic, measures. It's a hassle to constantly monitor requirements that are basically moving targets. Song difficulty (such as what are level 65 songs) are dynamic and can change based on songs added, deleted, and/or modified from a song's prior difficulty. What songs are FMOs and FGOs are also dynamic measures.

Static measures would refer to things such as a specific score, p/g/a/b/m count, specific songs (that do not relate to a dynamic factor), etc.

@stavie: that song changed to a VC quite a long time ago...

12-24-2010, 12:00 PM	#3361
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Ingame Song Information Hands are allowed in lower difficulty files now. I'm not able to play ffr so I can't say anything about the new files __________________

12-24-2010, 12:08 PM	#3362
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: Ingame Song Information holy crap, the six new files are all really rough in their own way, it'll take a while to AAA any of them (bury the hatchet would be easier, but now I has mental blockage). Damn though...tough stuff, I can't even FC the Chopin song due to the jackage __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

12-24-2010, 01:17 PM	#3364
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Ingame Song Information Stavie, your problem is that you have enough speed that you COMPLETELY ignore the speed component of files. You just can't comprehend the concept of one file being harder than another because of the speed or density alone. You're not alone - I've seen this in one or two other top players - but it means you have no valid say when it comes to difficulties of hard songs. Your opinions don't reflect how hard they are for the 99.99% of people with less skill than you, and thus they are worthless. Anyone interested in taking a look at my objective difficulty comparing idea again? I guess it was missed. The basic gist is that you wait until a good chunk of people have played both file A and file B a few times, and then figure out how many people do better on file A than file B, and how many people do better on file B than file A, and if one is significantly bigger than the other it means one file is easier than the other. (We ignore people who haven't fully played both files, and people who have the same score on both files.) __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

12-24-2010, 01:38 PM	#3365
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Ingame Song Information idea is great if you ignore the AAA's and the mashed scores also stavie im cool with everyone and im never really "angry" at anyone __________________

12-24-2010, 01:45 PM	#3366
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: Ingame Song Information I've got a few questions. Why is it for Speedvibe heavy there are a few 65's that don't unlock it? Is the rule gay like Oni is or is that just a mistake? (The songs that are 65's but not heavy unlocks: 65 (D2) Neon-213 (655 Notes / BPM 180); 65 (D2) Progression (936 Notes / BPM 125); 65 (D2) Wisdom (769 Notes / BPM 170); 65 (D2) {Adrenaline Pumper} (1082 Notes / BPM 174.5) Also with the newly added FMO's does that mean more unlockable songs for Oni? And if so which ones? Last edited by Xx{Midnight}xX; 12-24-2010 at 01:48 PM..

12-24-2010, 02:01 PM	#3367
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Ingame Song Information I've wondered the same thing. I don't know how it works.

12-24-2010, 02:15 PM	#3368
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Ingame Song Information If i remembered correctly, I think it has something to do with jimerax not updating the list in over a year (i might be wrong though). Also, i agree that it's dumb that some of the FMO songs doesn't unlock Oni when the goal clearly says that you must AAA a FMO in order to unlock it. __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ ===============================

12-24-2010, 02:17 PM	#3370
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Ingame Song Information It goes along with the fact that the rating system might need a restructuring. Also, if there's not going to be a token for getting an FGO, it could be cool to extend the [Oni] token to FGOs as well. Just a thought.

12-24-2010, 02:20 PM	#3371
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Ingame Song Information hmm yeah thats right. but if both of the songs are close to the same difficulty then if a person mashes one song then they'll most likely mash the other song as well. i guess to be safe only the scores that werent completely runs should be ignored like you mentioned __________________

12-24-2010, 06:59 PM	#3376
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Ingame Song Information honestly AAA FMO/FGO is a pretty bad idea for s-token, in terms of maintenance. We can't define difficulties in th req, need to specify the songs.

12-24-2010, 09:04 PM	#3380
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Ingame Song Information I agree with jx in that skill token requirements should be based on static, not dynamic, measures. It's a hassle to constantly monitor requirements that are basically moving targets. Song difficulty (such as what are level 65 songs) are dynamic and can change based on songs added, deleted, and/or modified from a song's prior difficulty. What songs are FMOs and FGOs are also dynamic measures. Static measures would refer to things such as a specific score, p/g/a/b/m count, specific songs (that do not relate to a dynamic factor), etc. @stavie: that song changed to a VC quite a long time ago...

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