A new beginning for our SM community.

[TC_Halogen]

I don't know how something like this would be implemented -- it seems really complicated. However, it's definitely something that is worth thinking about. It eliminates the need for an arbitrary rating system and gives a clear visual of when a section gets harder. However, for songs that are technically difficult and rely on difficult sections without increasing NPS very much (see a song with stream and then using that same 16th stream as jacks, or something), it doesn't prove to be entirely accurate.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I don't know how something like this would be implemented -- it seems really complicated. However, it's definitely something that is worth thinking about. It eliminates the need for an arbitrary rating system and gives a clear visual of when a section gets harder. However, for songs that are technically difficult and rely on difficult sections without increasing NPS very much (see a song with stream and then using that same 16th stream as jacks, or something), it doesn't prove to be entirely accurate.

Of course there is going to be flaws and we can either...
- Deal with the flaws
- Fix the flaws
I figure we'd be able to label maybe a spot that has jacks above the heightened section. Maybe basing a system off the .sm file would be best where as 0001 0001 0001 represents a jack.

P.s. Don't get me started with mini jacks like Guillame tell or whatever. It's still a thought, mwuahaha.

[kommisar]

that's when you use your judgment. if a song has a few spikes that make it harder than your average 10 nps, it's probably better to rate it 11. any system will eventually need a subjective opinion

[Reincarnate]

Well technically that's the whole point of a scaled system. It doesn't need anything subjective.

[kommisar]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Well technically that's the whole point of a scaled system. It doesn't need anything subjective.

good luck making a globally accepted rating then

[AsphyxZero]

I'm not going to be able to do my packs, I found out that I clear the military installation this week. Which is awesome. But I don't have time for much

[Shikari]

No problem, Mike, this task is on hold at the moment, since there still is working over a new difficulty rating system. Good luck with army btw.

[kommisar]

does that mean you're not getting discharged mike

[AsphyxZero]

Originally Posted by kommisar

does that mean you're not getting discharged mike

I leave the military this weekend : D

[Oni-Paranoia]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

If something gets passed, then it gets factored into the difficulty scales. Typically speaking, passes tend to still be shitty scores. So if you take into account who's playing the file (likely a strong player with strong skill ratings) and the fact that they got a crappy score on a previously-unpassed song, the difficulty metric will take care of itself.

Re: NPS: My only qualm with NPS is that it says nothing about the patterns. A 10 NPS jack is much harder than a 10 NPS stream.

If you can make NPS determine if a song has jacks are not, then this problem with NPS would be solved. Which is what I hope a visual representation could take care of.

On another note, I still think a 1-100 scale is most fair. Otherwise we are going to get a scale where a low 30 and a high 30 may be a big jump. On top of that, the visual idea I want to do should clarify any discrepancies from the number rating.

Originally Posted by kommisar

good luck making a globally accepted rating then

Any rating at this point that we can develop is going to be better than any rating set in the past (I hope?). The key here is to develop a good system at the start of this project. At least this way, we have something we can stretch with later.

[ddrxero64]

Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

On another note, I still think a 1-100 scale is most fair. Otherwise we are going to get a scale where a low 30 and a high 30 may be a big jump. On top of that, the visual idea I want to do should clarify any discrepancies from the number rating.

I highly doubt that at 30 NPS it'll be too big of a jump. Once again, FudgeFactor brings in the subjectivty needed.

I propose an idea, or this rating discussion will go on forever.

Take a random and very familiar pack (HSMP? something with all kinds of files, pad, spread, index, etc.), and have everyone who supports a different rating convert it to their own rating.

Now compare the ratings. How close are some ratings, and how close are the actual difficulty in songs? Which ratings are easily understood, and which are still vague?

Instead of talking about it, provide physical and virtual evidence on why you think one is better. I actually don't want to involve myself anymore supporting NPS, but I think this idea is something people here could benefit from to move the discussion forward somewhat.

[who_cares973]

Assuming everyone has the same IM client. Having it for convenience

[ddrxero64]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

Assuming everyone has the same IM client. Having it for convenience

There is a problem with this in my eyes. It may become an elitist chatroom, only in real time. IRC's have been just as split as communities due to positions of power. The only thing I'd suggest is to have only one admin/op of the chat. Either that or none, if possible. Once there's one, there's two. Once there's two, it becomes elitist shortly.

[Kraezymann]

Oh man wc you should add me to MSN <3

[aj187]

I'd totally be down for doing this on IRC somewhere

[who_cares973]

id prefer if only admins of the site +1 or 2 other people became moderators of the channel kind of how prochat is here

Originally Posted by Kraezymann

Oh man wc you should add me to MSN <3

i thought i already had you on msn O_o

[Xayphon]

bumping this because I dont want this to get in oblivion x.X

[Shikari]

It won't. :')
And thanks for bumping, because STIAN WE NEED TO TALK!!!!!!1111111

[ddr_f4n]

Whenever this happens I'd like to be notified so I can hopefully help out with pad files.

[sakura080789]

well as for sm teachers i could be a teacher for simple charts