TWG VIII (The Matrix Has You) Day 4

[Lupin_the_3rd]

I had plenty of time to think all day at work, and I've come to the conclusion that Lightdarkness seems to be trying too hard to get Alain some votes from some of the more gullible players. I hate to bandwagon onto Blah's vote, but I was set on this vote when I left from work. This vote is not going to change, as I have a tutor in a little bit.

[Afrobean]

Lupin, I too am suspicious of LD, but I have nothing to add. I'd feel like I was badnwagoning. Because of this, I've gone back and reread some. I've decided that Tsuteto is probably an agent. I've reread some things that he's said, and I've been getting a vibe from him that doesn't say "human newb"; it says "wolf newb." He claimed I was an agent because Alain was defending me. I can see what he's saying here, but it really doesn't make much sense if you stop to think about it. Alain would not put his own life in danger to try to save a wolf partner. I would think that even a newb to this game would figure out that a wolf defending a wolf would only put them both in danger.

[alainbryden]

Allthough I agree that LD is suspicious, for some reason I'm not inclined to beleive he's a wolf yet. Tsuteto, as I mentioned before, I do, however I'm more confident that whorlichan is a wolf, and will not let that fade just because she hasn't posted in the past 42 hours. I realise now, noticing how I almost forgot about her, how effective a strategy it is to just not talk for a day when suspicion is building on you, and I won't be distracted by others for now. I will, however, move my vote over to Tsuteto if someone I feel that is less likely to be a wolf is at risk of being lynched over him.

[lightdarkness]

Originally Posted by blahblah18

So far from what I have seen going on here and frmo my personal knowledge of events, I'm suspicious of both LD and Tsuteto... look how Tsuteto tries to make his basis for voting alain be an already used reason, but the probglem is that the reason really holds no water in his situation, because he changed his vote a lot day 1, he knew people were actively being told to have their vote changed, and not only did he not get bothered by it, but he went along with it.
LD continues to say that somewhere I contradicted myself not once but TWICE, yet every time that I"ve asked him about it he has had nothing to say about it. He's been seemingly evading most of what I ask on AIM, and although I"m usually one to not change my vote, I"ll say that since its still fairly early, there's room for change, but for now my vote goes to
LD

I've told you several times how you contradicted yourself.

First you told me you were being guarded, but then it turned out you weren't. I understand that. However, when you were explaining it to me, you said you weren't in contact with the guardian. A few minutes later, you said you were in contact with the guardian. That is the contradiction I am talking about.

[Squeek]

6-hour warning.

Squeek's Totally Not-Stolen Friendy Guide to Bandwagon Voting™

Alainbryden (3) - Kilgamayan, M-A-C, Tsuteto.
Lightdarkness (2) - Blahblah, Lupin.
Tsuteto (1) - Afrobean.
Whorlichan (1) - Alainbryden.
Afrobean (1) - JurseyRider.

Cypher (1) - Phantom.

NOT VOTED (Eight) - Cypher, evilbutterfly, Flypie, Kefit, Lightdarkness, Nforcer, Tps222, Whorlichan.

Eight people have voted, eight have not. You have 6 hours.

~Squeek

[Tps222]

Ah, those crazy Jets.

Tsuteto, you voted for alain without out any credible evidence, definately looks like bandwagoning, you say that you always back your votes up, but i haven't seen it yet, if you prove some reasonable evidence to your accusation then maybe i will re-think this, but untill then my vote goes to [b]Tsuteto.

[Tps222]

To fix my post from above Tsuteto

[evilbutterfly]

Back a few pages, at the end of Day 1: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...=asc&start=165

There, Kefit shows up and says something, Jurs points out he's been inactive, a couple people vote for him. A little further down, I make my big post defending alain and voting for Chardish. Then blah and afro both vote Chardish (we had been talking about it and felt it was a decent idea, so when I made my post it basically paved the way for their votes). nforcer comes in to vote for Kefit, giving some reasons but not really saying them at all. Kinda suspicious, but we let it slide. Tsuteto then basically bandwagons onto the Chardish vote. LD makes a vote for flypie because they haven't talked much, but probably moreso because he doesn't wanna kill Chardish and tps goes after flypie as well. Then, we come to an interesting spot. nforcer, who just changed his changed his vote (with little visible reason) only about 10 minutes before, changes again, only this time he votes for Chardish. Now why would he do that?

The main reason I voted for Chardish was because he didn't respond to me. Apparently quite a few people were suspicious of Chardish, and my vote along with blah and Afro's made it look like they could vote for him without feeling any reprucussions. Some (like Afrobean) are scared to vote for big players because they think everybody will claim them to be a wolf for doing so. The problem is, Chardish hasn't been very active. Last game he hosted and it didn't get updated very often, because he was always away it seemed. This game (as I was told later by people who tried to contact him) he was away for extended periods of time, so he probably just didn't read close enough to see my post. You see, Chardish was not a wolf. I didn't really have much info against him, but everybody started voting for him and he died and it's my fault. Psycic tells me he was human, so I screwed up. However, maybe this sad event will help us pin a wolf. To help make it easier to see, I'll make a quick little timeline:

At the top of that page I linked to, right before my post, the votes stood like this:

Alain: Kefit, LD, Whorli,Tsuteto, nforcer, Kilga, and Chardish (7)
Chardish: Alain (1)

At 7-1, Alain was pretty much screwed. As we go down the page, this changes rather quickly.

Tsuteto changes to Jurs: 6-1
I vote Chardish: 6-2
Blah votes Chardish: 6-3
Afro votes Chardish: 6-4
nforcer switches to Kefit: 5-4
Tsuteto switches to Chardish: 5-5
LD switches to flypie: 4-5 <---Chardish takes the lead
nforcer switches to Chardish: 4-6 <---seals the deal
Jurs switches to alain: 5-6 <---could have saved Chardish if not for nforcer

Now we see a few things there. Wolves would know that Chardish was a human, and would want to dispose of him. However, a smart wolf would not vote directly for him, because that would be suspicious. Instead, they may divert the vote to another place, letting the one they want to die take the lead. For that reason, I'm also keeping my eye on LD, but nforcer can take the heat for now.

[M-A-C]

*claps*

Nice job EB. Mabey this might swing some votes.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by evilbuttfly

Jurs switches to alain: 5-6 <---could have saved Chardish if not for nforcer

Yea, but LD staying on Alain would have also saved Chardish. That was a bad move lightdarkness, now you've got me convinced you're an agent. You're move to Flypie was totally unjustified in my opinion, and it was one of the things that caused the death of Chardish, a confirmed human.

PS While I'm thinking about it I want to say something not related to the actual game. The wolves are Smiths, right? Well when Smith gains the power to replicate himself into other people's bodies, he's no longer an agent. What I'm saying is this: shouldn't we be accusing others to be "Smiths" rather than "Agents"?

PPS Sorry Chardish. I honestly believed you were an agent.

[lightdarkness]

Let me explain what happened day one.

I was talking for blah for roughly an hour, and I was fairly convinced he was human, and put a little trust in him.

He then was on a crusade to save Alain, and get everyone to vote to Chardish. I found this extremely odd, but I did want to show my faith in blah, so I switched to flypie, to allow Blah to try and work out stuff with other players.

I changed my vote thinking it would result in a tie, and to let another player do what they thought. I was wasn't sure whether alain or chardish was a wolf, but after hearing chardish was 100% human, i'm extremely suspicious of Blah and Alain. Alain for gut feeling + day 1 activity, and blah for that massive switch to chardish.

[Afrobean]

After LD's post and talking to him on AIM, he's convinced me that blah was behind his changing his vote in the way he did. This makes me very suspicious of blah, although I really don't know if a wolf could pull off a giant sway of votes in the way that blah did. I'm going to put my vote back where it was before eb's post, on Tsuteto.

[Squeek]

Note - Yes, it should be Smiths, but "agents" just sounds much cooler.

~Squeek

[flypie743]

Well, I have read over what everyone has said and I still have yet to make a vote. I am keeping my eye on LD. I am kinda suspicious of him. Lupin and Kefit I am suspicious of--just a gut feeling, I don't have any evidence on them, so I have to assume they are human.

Oh yeah, when people were saying that Cypher was human because of Squeek's post a few pages back I would like to quote Chardish on that subject; Guys "you found something out of nothing".

[whorlichan]

My silence has nothing to do with anything suspicious. As I've mentioned before, I just moved to the East Coast. Maybe I shouldn't have signed up for a game so soon while I'm still buying and building furniture and stuff, but I did, and I have been following the posts if not making them myself.

I now have internet access in the new apartment and will be more active; meanwhile I'm shooting a vote back at blah because he keeps talking to me and trying to convince me I'm an agent You're number one on my suspicions list, buddy, so here you go.

[alainbryden]

you're right, your silence has nothing to do with anything suspicious, it's everything else you do. I know my vote stands.

[JurseyRider734]

Sorry for my absence the past two days, I woke up at 2, was hardly on, went out, ended up sleeping over, then had to go riding and working. From what I see, it looks like the more alain posts the more people get suspicious of him. I think if he knew what was right for him, he would stop arguing with everyone so that they might not get suspicious. Anyways, im going to change my vote to alainbryden for now because I am more supsiscious of him still than Afro.

[alainbryden]

It looks like somehow a clone of jursey's last 3 posts just got moved the the front of the thread. Well done, I can really see the thought progression. [/srcm]

[JurseyRider734]

Originally Posted by alainbryden

It looks like somehow a clone of jursey's last 3 posts just got moved the the front of the thread. Well done, I can really see the thought progression. [/srcm]

Wait, so you criticized M-A-C for spelling errors...yet you make them yourself? Good job.

[alainbryden]

oh god. that definately makes me a wolf wolf. -_-

And spelling error denotes a word written incorrectly, not written twice. In addition to this, critisism is different from mockery, which is what I did. At least my sentance is still readable.